Moochie and Cato are only clogs in the Rockets drain and.

kidrock8 · Apr 1, 2003

T-Mo fans are the ones who must have seen something in him, during his Fr. and Soph years at Maryland. Since then, he has seriously regressed.

JBIIRockets · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by a la rockets
My bad, I thought this was a Rockets forum, not a get insulted while giving ur opinion forum!

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Well, if you don't back up your opinion with any substance, you're gonna get called out. Bring it hard or don't bring it at all.

You said "T-Mo can do alot of things well", yet you STILL havent said what those things are. Which leads me to believe you don't know what you are talking about

Originally posted by a la rockets
I'm not saying he's the answer, but he could be a good role player. [/B]
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Let's see, you went from "T-Mo being a good role player," to "T-Mo could be a good role player."

Weak.

YallMean · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by JBIIRockets
I can under why people would disagree with me on Cato since he is a decent rebounder and a shot blocker.

But dude needs more discipline. He does not know his limitations. He should NEVER, and I mean never shoot a fadeaway perimeter jumpshot as he did in the second quarter of the game at New Jersey with the Rockets down 29-23. When he decided to shoot that shot I was angered big-time.

If he cared about the Rockets goal of making the playoffs he would not resort to take a perimeter shot or two per game.

Part of it is Larry Smith's fault for playing him in stretches that I feel are too long.
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No, I totally agree with you. Cato sucks. Yes, he is a good rebounder/shot blocker sometimes. But the guy is dumb, he will never become Ben Wallace or Rodman type of player. Those guys are way smarter than Cato. Cato should be eclectric shocked if he deciside to take a fadeaway turn around or whatever with more than 3 foot away from the basket.

KeepJuaquin · Apr 1, 2003

I agree with you.

In the offseason, trade Eddie Griffin and Cuttino Mobley along with a 1st round draft pick for Elton Brand and Quentin Richardson. Waive Moochie Norris. And try to sign Jon Barry or Michael Redd. Signing James Posey would be good if he does not ask for too much. If we could somehow get Michael Redd, we wouldn't need to sign James Posey. Glen Rice will hopefully retire. Terence Morris, I actually like him. We should resign him for very minimum. Cato can be traded along with one of our bench players who have a little potential. There is a demand for Cato's in the NBA.

Steve Francis/Jon Barry/Tito Maddox
Quentin Richardson/James Posey/Juaquin Hawkins
Bostjan Nachbar/Glen Rice or Terence Morris
Elton Brand/Maurice Taylor
Yao Ming/Kelvin Cato

And also, new coach. If Rudy doesn't come back, we need to get an experienced coach who is at least GOOD.

But of course, nothing could happen.
And we could still survive with
Steve Francis/Moochie Norris/Tito Maddox
Cuttino Mobley/Nobody
James Posey/Glen Rice/Terence Morris/Bostjan Nachbar
Eddie Griffin/Maurice Taylor
Yao Ming/Kelvin Cato/Jason Collier.
We can just hope that the team will somehow get better and find out how to use Yao.

If we HAD to keep this current team, I would at least get a GOOD head coach.

JBIIRockets · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by KeepJuaquin

In the offseason, trade Eddie Griffin and Cuttino Mobley along with a 1st round draft pick for Elton Brand and Quentin Richardson.
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I like Griffin (and think one day he will acquire a consisitent mid-range game) but if the Rockets could really pull this trade off, my jaws would hurt so badly from smiling.

sun12 · Apr 1, 2003

I agree with your guys. Cato is a good backup center, he rebounds and defends, but he costs too much MONEY to keep aruond. Rox should trade him when his stock is high. Either bring in a quality player or save the money for free-agency.

Morris is expendable, but who will take him?

I hope Rox can sign a bruiser who can play both the center and PF positions once Cato is traded. This should allow the maximum flexibility on the C and PF positions, especially if EG does not improve next season.

I am disappointed with EG, by the way. Both Chandler and Curry improve dramatically this season. I have not seen EG done the same thing, plus he got all the playing minutes. A big disappointment. He should really work hard during the summer.

ILuvEddie33 · Apr 1, 2003

Moochie is a clog! Cato isnt but his contract is too large for him! but since he's been playin so good so for now...............

ILuvEddie33 · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by sun12
I agree with your guys. Cato is a good backup center, he rebounds and defends, but he costs too much MONEY to keep aruond. Rox should trade him when his stock is high. Either bring in a quality player or save the money for free-agency.

Morris is expendable, but who will take him?

I hope Rox can sign a bruiser who can play both the center and PF positions once Cato is traded. This should allow the maximum flexibility on the C and PF positions, especially if EG does not improve next season.

I am disappointed with EG, by the way. Both Chandler and Curry improve dramatically this season. I have not seen EG done the same thing, plus he got all the playing minutes. A big disappointment. He should really work hard during the summer.
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Actually if u look at last years min and this ones they've actually gone down! not that much but they've gone down!just thought I'd mention that but somebody made me realize that look where Curry & Chandler play at they don't have much competion! but Eddie's #'s and his precences need to be felt! I have a friend that is friends with one of the ball boys for the Rox and supposely he tells me that the Rickets perfer Eddie at the 3 pt line and thats where they want him to be! I dunno if its true!Im juss sayin!As I said Moochie needs to go AWAY! and Cato is good but not 4 that much money!OK!

kidrock8 · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by KeepJuaquin
I agree with you.

In the offseason, trade Eddie Griffin and Cuttino Mobley along with a 1st round draft pick for Elton Brand and Quentin Richardson.
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There's something called a salary cap that would kind of get in the way.

As well as common sense from the Clippers side of things. Despite Richardson struggling last year, I don't know if they would trade him for Mobley.

rrj_gamz · Apr 1, 2003

Great read...

We all agree that the Rox have room to grow and I think by getting the role players were everyone understands their role, we'll be on like Donkey Kong...

Mooch & Cato are a start, but I would ad EG...

The problem is who is stupid enough to take on those contracts...

sun12 · Apr 1, 2003

Some teams in the EC might take Cato. He is overpaid, but still reasonably overpaid. Moochie is a different story but his total pay is not that high anyway.

Among them all, EG is the most important because he is supposed to be the PF of the future. He actually got lots of playing minutes, averaging 24, 25 minutes/game. That's more than that of Curry and Chandler. It is not like that Rox is not giving him chances to play. For EG to grow, he has to spend more time than other players. Come to the practice one hour earlier and leave one hour late would be a good start. How's EG's work ethics? Does anybody know?

fanwq · Apr 1, 2003

Originally posted by count_dough-ku
I foresee this team making a lot of changes in the offseason, playoffs or not:

Cuttino is gone. Whether that means Steve stays at PG or moves to the 2 remains to be seen, but I think it's obvious to everyone including Cat himself that his days here are numbered.

Glen Rice is a prime candidate to be moved, if not during the offseason then before next year's All-Star break. His expiring contract is too good to pass up for teams looking to clear cap room. Hopefully, the Rockets can land a decent role player or two by moving him.

Moochie might be with the team next year(like anyone in their right frame of mind would take on his contract), but his days of backing up Steve are over. He's been a complete waste this season. Dude can't even hit more than 2/3 of his free throws(which BTW, cost them a game against the Clippers) and he's a point guard! Backcourt depth is gonna be a major focal point this offseason, and you know damn well they'll be looking for quality backups at both guard positions.

Here's something I know a lot of people will disagree with me about and I don't even know if the Rockets organization has considered it, but I'd like to see them trade Cato. Not because he's a bad player, mind you. If anything, he's been the biggest surprise for the Rockets this season outside of Yao. He's a quality backup who's a monster on the boards and a lot of teams in the Leastern Conference could use a guy like him. Take advantage of this opportunity and move the guy while his stock is still relatively high. Like Rice, he could land the Rockets some quality depth at key positions. Don't tell me no one will take on his contract. If an alcoholic, overweight, past-his-prime Vin Baker can be moved, someone will take him. And as for Yao no longer having a decent backup center, who cares? Yao theoretically should be putting in 35-40 minutes a night for the team come next season, so why would you wanna pay a backup center 6-7 mil a year for 8-13 minutes of play? The Rockets won two titles without a decent backup for Dream(unless Earl Cureton and Grandpa Jones qualify).

Sit Eddie down and tell him it's put up or shut up time. I'm sick and tired of hearing the "he's only 20" argument. Dude has shown zero improvement over last season, so obviously there's more to his lackluster play than just youth. I do feel coaching(or lack thereof) has been a problem. No one's teaching this guy how to be an effective big man. Rudy and Co. seem way too content to let him become another Robert Horry, and no offense, but you don't trade 3 first-rounders(including Richard Jefferson) for Robert Friggin Horry! They desperately need a veteran assistant coach who can teach guys like Eddie and Yao, kinda like what Carroll Dawson used to do in the early to mid-90's. I still maintain that Eddie is a bad fit for the team, no matter how great he eventually becomes. They need a bruiser type of four. Someone who plays hard nosed defense and can knock down an 18-footer. An Otis Thorpe or Charles Oakley. But I'm willing to give Eddie one more year to see if he can develop beyond the 6'10" 3-point brick artist he currently is.

I don't see any coaching change barring Rudy retiring due to health concerns which is a shame cuz this is where the Rockets need the most help. Rudy is a great guy and has done a lot for this organization and city, but he's not the right fit for this team. It pains me to see what Hubie Brown has been able to do with a former headcase and showboater like Jason Williams in half a season, and meanwhile Steve Francis is still dribbling into 4 defenders in the paint and couldn't run a fastbreak to save his life.

Anyway, enough of my ranting. My point is these are all problems that need to be resolved by the Rockets between now and no later than next year's All-Star break. If they're serious about contending for a title in a few years and filling that new arena the taxpayers in Houston have blessed them with, they won't stick with the status quo and hope and pray that time will cure all ills, cuz it won't. [/QUOTE. And as for Yao no longer having a decent backup center, who cares? Yao theoretically should be putting in 35-40 minutes a night for the team come next season, so why would you wanna pay a backup center 6-7 mil a year for 8-13 minutes of play? The Rockets won two titles without a decent backup for Dream(unless Earl Cureton and Grandpa Jones qualify).]
Reasonable.I totally agree with you so that we will have room for PF.Yao has done excellent work even if this is his 1st NBA season especially he never experienced.
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