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Montero Returns

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rocketlaunch, Nov 12, 2022.

  1. Nook

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    This is a big part of my reasoning as well. Most like 1-3 of the guys in the pen are going to have a mediocre year or get hurt. The more bullets I have in the pen, the better
     
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    I can tell you why Stanek did not play much in the WS, and I would assume this is try for the playoffs as well.... they were concerned about his walks. I asked that same question and got an answer.
     
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    Sad but it is true.

    A lot of knowledgeable posters in here and maybe some real insiders.

    If you don't know the history of this forum, you should keep an open mind.
     
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    Even I am saying slow down, my guy.:D
     
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    I would add that besides the 18-inning game, and Verlander and Lance's World Series starts, the other teams never played well enough to get to pen besides for the 4 guys Dusty used. It isn't Dusty's fault Framber and Javier kicked butt, and that the Yankees suck.
     
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    LOL
     
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  7. Nook

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    There aren't any credible rumors going around that it had an option.

    Chandler is literally making **** up now.
     
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    Neris has such good peripherals that I have to think he puts together a great season at some point. Neris last year finally avoids the longball which has plagued him a bit, and he still posts a 3.72 ERA.

    Stanek I get, as he walks too many guys, but he basically turned into Nolan Ryan last season.

    Right now our bullpen is:

    Pressly
    Montero
    Abreu
    Stanek
    Neris
    Maton
    Urquidy (I'm assuming Brown would be in the rotation)

    With Seth Martinez & Blake Taylor right there. Like anything else, other moves could bring more justification to the choice. Pitching depth isn't a bad thing at all, but the team could definitely afford to trade away at least one arm out of the pen and be set. If they re-sign Verlander, it would seem to me that Urquidy or Garcia are destined to be moved. I'm just not sure how many teams value Garcia as much as I believe the Astros do, which is why I see it less likely he is moved of the 2.
     
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    WOW.

    This makes zero sense especially since we know Crane is involved in everything and didn't he offer click a contract?

    And the rumors are that Crane was the one who offered the contract.
     
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    So Abreu is still a starting option?

    I was just going to ask you about this.
     
  11. Nook

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    Unless something has changed since Click was let go, yes he is still a possible starter.

    The Astros former pitching coach felt he would be a durable, long-term starter eventually and Miller is similar.
     
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    Less than a year ago, Garcia was viewed as more valuable around the league that Urquidy and I would assume that is still true. There isn't a "stuff" question with Garcia but there are some that question whether he is a long term starter. The Astros were asking for more in return for Garcia.
     
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    I think the Astros have accepted they aren't getting Verlander, DeGrom, or Rodon. The Astros should have plenty of resources to add a 1B, a LF/DH, and a catcher. Unless all three of Nimmo, Contreras, and Abreu want to come to Houston, I don't see Montero's signing affecting any moves this offseason.
     
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    That was my assumption.

    5.1 per 9 innings is extensive.

    IMO Stanek just needs to trust his stuff more. It feels like that's what Abreu did to make his jump.
     
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    I would assume this too

    Garcia looks to have better "stuff" and a higher ceiling than Urquidy not to mention an extra year of control.
     
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    I view Garcia as a starter who could go 6 shutout innings or blow up for 5 earned runs in 2 innings any time he goes to the mound.

    I find Urquidy much less likely to pitch a shutout but also much less likely to have a short bad outing.
     
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    Abreu had his fastball jump up 2 ticks and his amazing slider that stopped cutting in 2020 and 2021 was back with a vengeance (93% more cut than average for an 88-mph slider).
     
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    Starts less than 5 innings with ERAs greater than 3.
    Urquidy 4
    Garcia 2

    Games with ERAs greater than 5.40 (3 ERs for 5 innings)
    Urquidy 9
    Garcia 7

    The last two years, Garcia has had the lower ERAs, lower xERAs, lower FIPs, and lower xFIPs. Garcia had a couple of bad months while Urquidy was going bonkers great this season. Outside those two months, Garcia has been better.
     
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    Of course that can't hurt!!
     
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