Andy Cohen just came out with a message to gay men . It’s clear that it prevails amongst one group. Ignoring that to ge politically correct deprives them of proper counseling just like not screening diabetes on fat ppl because you’re afraid their feelings will get hurt
A million US citizens died from Covid, and during the Alpha/Delta peaks those death counts were rising by the day. The US economy was also nearly shut down because the virus was that dangerous, and contagious. If Monkeypox is looking like it could kill a million people in one country in less than 2 years, and shut down our economy you better damn well believe there will be vaccine mandates. It's like you guys just fail to understand the basic role of government to make common sense community health decisions. The Covid vaccine has saved countless lives, and got our economy back up and running yet you guys still to this day act like today ignorant jerks about it.
I don't think there was any single metric or factor to justify it. You have to consider how widespread it was, the manner in which it is spread (easily transmitted through every-day, non-intimate interactions between people), the strain it creates on our healthcare system through hospitalizations, and the economic impact of other options like forcing everyone to work from home and isolate indefinitely. The overall severity and urgency of the problems posed by the coronavirus justified mandates, in my view, but obviously opinions can differ.
My opinion is there needs to be some sort of standard test because whilst I got 3 shots, some people didn't want them. Mandating them is a serious line to cross. You guys seem fervent in shouting down mandatory vaccines in this case where children are being effected. Just curious where you draw the line.
You mean is it my opinion that vaccine mandates be implemented in case of a global emergency? If the science and data suggests proves that not mandating a vaccine to save a countries population would be catastrophically detrimental to it's citizens, and it's economy sure, governments around the world should have the ability to take measures... but in a free society there should be checks and balances to ensure that it's not tyrannically power driven. We don't live in an autocracy. Our government is designed to be decentralized with 3 co-equal branches. The executive has to be able to act during a pandemic, and the other 2 branches need to be able to put a check on any abuses. This is the biggest reason why I do not share a vision for the future of the US that Trump supporters do with one messiah figure at the top able to just overthrow the government if he's not democratically elected. But your point is mute though because even during Covid when 2,000 people a day were dying the fact is THE GOVERNMENT never actually had a mandate for vaccines except for government employees, and you always had the freedom to go work where you want if you work outside the government. Even in public jobs like teaching, you still weren't federally required to get vaccinated. So I don't really understand what you are gripping about with a potential Monkeypox vaccine or with trying to point out some sort of hypocrisy with Biden on why he did (when actually he didn't) mandate a Covid vaccine, but he's not with Monkeypox. I know that's what you are trying to show. It's kind of silly, but sure... in the future if Monkeypox starts killing people at the scale of Covid then I suspect there will be a moonshot push to get vaccines scaled up and there will be a push to get people to take it. You want to know where we draw the line... where the fact is in a Democracy like ours is supposed to be "the line" is always a judgement call but decisions are challenged when they need to be. The CDC makes it's recommendation based on the facts, the government and private sector make decisions based on the science and the CDC, and if they step out of line, you have checks and balances at every step of the way.... including with your employers which is really where the whole "Vaccine Mandate" decision really was and will be moving forward along with your local school district.
Employer requirements for vaccinations are quite common. That's not a public mandate though. Also, Outside the central African countries monkeypox originated, there have been 0 deaths with the current strain. So it's puzzling your say it's deadly.
The reason everyone knows gay and bisexual men are the highest risk pool is that that's the communication since months ago. What we don't need is stigmatization, driving these people underground and causing more spread. That doesn't seem to be a problem so far, at least from a vaccine standpoint. There is limited supply and they are going quickly. These are from May. Summer 2022 Health Tips for Gay and Bi Men (cdc.gov) (WHO) Monkeypox: public health advice for gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men CDC officials sound alarm for gay, bisexual men as monkeypox spreads (cnbc.com)
your home country had a death also. It's clearly a disease that is capable of causing deaths. I don't understand why you want to argue over semantics. What is the threshold for deadly?
No that’s not the only standpoint, like a lot of other diseases M to M transmission is highest, what we need to understand is why: simply bringing this up, results in attacks gay men are almost exclusively the driver of monkey pox as was HIV early in the day. I don’t think they’re a metabolism or “gay gene” issue, it’s been postulated that gay men are part of much higher riskier sexual behaviors in addition to transmission via Anal intercourse being higher. 96% That’s the number of moneypox pts that are gay men. An astounding This group needs to be zeroed in on and taught safer sex practices, or seen whats perpetuating this. Not aboutbstigma; it’s peoples health at this point
