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Monkeypox outbreak

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    deserves its own @tinman thread
     
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    When lifehacker sez we aren't ready for monkeypox, then we aren't ready

    https://lifehacker.com/we-are-not-ready-for-monkeypox-1849035126
    We Are Not Ready for Monkeypox

    Monkeypox is here, and it’s spreading. The couple of dozen cases in a few countries that we told you about last month are now up to over a thousand cases worldwide, with 35 reported in the United States. But the U.S. almost certainly has more cases than the statistics suggest, and there is reason to suspect that we’re already ****ing up the response to the epidemic in some ways that will feel uncomfortably familiar.

    We aren’t testing enough
    For the first few months of the COVID pandemic, when we had the chance to contain the virus if only we could locate all the cases and their contacts, testing was woefully inadequate. Plenty of people who had the virus were never tested for it, and people who wanted a test couldn’t always get one. The way we knew at first that the virus was spreading unnoticed was that there were cases in the U.S. that were not related to each other. The genetics of different clusters of a disease outbreak can show that the virus must have been spreading undetected for a while.

    That’s what’s beginning to happen here: There are small clusters of monkeypox cases that are genetically different enough from each other that we know there must be far more than the 35 reported U.S. cases. So a lot of cases must be going undetected.

    One reason for under-testing is that people who have monkeypox may not realize that they have it. Normally, monkeypox lesions are widespread across the body. In the current outbreak, sometimes a person may only have lesions in one part of the body, and may even have a single lesion. When that happens, you don’t think, “oh my god, this must be monkeypox,” you think, “huh, I wonder what that spot is.” And maybe you’ll see a doctor, or maybe not.

    Doctors also aren’t necessarily looking for monkeypox, and might not recognize it at first. It’s not a common disease in the U.S. (or in many of the other areas where it’s spreading) and the symptoms in this outbreak don’t always follow the textbook sequence. Normally you would expect a fever first, and then the rash; but some of the known cases got the rash before the fever. Some people have the lesions only in the anal or genital area, which may look confusingly similar to STIs like herpes or syphilis. (Molecular microbiologist Joseph Osmundson has put together a fact sheet that includes photos of anal and genital monkeypox lesions here.)

    So the first obstacle in testing is that not enough tests are being done in the first place. Testing for monkeypox involves collecting secretions or scabs from the lesions, and sending them to one of a few specific laboratories. Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb tweeted that the current bottleneck is the lack of sampling.

    But if awareness gets better, we may soon run into a bigger problem: labs’ testing capacity. Currently there is a network of 74 labs that can run a test for orthopoxviruses, and they can process an estimated 7,000 tests per week. Monkeypox is the only orthopoxvirus of concern at the moment, since smallpox has been eradicated and other viruses in the family, like cowpox, are rare. If a sample tests positive for orthopoxvirus, the CDC will do further testing to confirm that it is monkeypox.

    People with monkeypox (or orthopoxvirus that is suspected to be monkeypox) are supposed to isolate for 21 days, and in the meantime, health authorities will contact-trace, and offer vaccines to the affected person and their close contacts. There are also antivirals that may be helpful. But the vaccine brings another problem.

    We have a vaccine, but we don’t know how well it works
    The good news about the vaccine is that we already have one. More than one, actually: Smallpox vaccination dates back hundreds of years, with several modern vaccines still available. (Smallpox was declared to be eradicated worldwide in 1980, the only human virus to have that honor.) People could occasionally have fatal reactions to some of the older smallpox vaccines, so those—the ones that use live virus—aren’t being considered for monkeypox.

    In the U.S., there is one vaccine that is licensed for use against monkeypox. It’s known as MVA (for Modified Vaccinia Ankara) and its brand name here is Jynneos. It doesn’t replicate in humans, but it does still trigger an immune response against smallpox. According to a 1988 study, vaccination is 85% effective against monkeypox transmission—but that was a small study and we don’t know if that’s the efficacy we can expect from the current vaccine and the current strain of monkeypox.

    We also don’t know if we’ll have enough of it. The U.S. Strategic National Stockpile says they have 36,000 doses and have ordered 36,000 more. The company that makes the vaccine also has lots of recent orders from other countries, for obvious reasons, and they plan to ship out small batches to the various countries so that everybody can start vaccinating quickly.

    That’s not enough vaccine to start vaccinating everybody, so the current strategy is “ring vaccination,” in which vaccine is offered to people who were close contacts of a person known to have monkeypox. (Monkeypox vaccine may also be given to the person with monkeypox, since it can reduce the severity of illness if caught early enough.) But contact tracing isn’t perfect, and in many recent cases, people didn’t have names or contact information for all their close contacts. Another possible strategy would be offering the vaccine to everybody in high-risk groups, which currently include men who have sex with men. So far, that strategy is only being tried in Canada.

    People are already misunderstanding how it’s transmitted
    Many of the recent cases have been in men who have sex with men. This has led to some people assuming that it’s sexually transmitted, like HIV or other STIs; I’ve already seen social media posts from people misunderstanding this and saying that you can only catch monkeypox from sex with somebody who has it.

    Knowing that a virus is sexually transmitted is helpful to know if sexual transmission is the main way that virus spreads, like with HIV. But we know that monkeypox can spread with close contact of any kind, including contact with an infected person’s lesions, or with their respiratory droplets (like from a cough or sneeze) and possibly even with aerosols.

    And on that note: The CDC briefly published a recommendation that travelers wear masks to avoid catching monkeypox, and then took down that recommendation saying that it “caused confusion.” Can monkeypox be airborne? Maybe! But if you’re concerned about catching a virus when you travel, you should be wearing a mask anyway. We already know that masks (especially well-fitting N95 style masks) are effective at protecting us against COVID, and COVID cases are on the upswing again—not that they ever went away. So, yes, wear a mask. But also be on the lookout for symptoms of monkeypox, and don’t be afraid to ask for a test or a vaccine if you think you have monkeypox or may have been exposed.​
     
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    Well. Tesla employees might get to go home again
     
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    We can't let the monkeypox take our freedomguns!
     
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    I’ve been way ahead of these woke monkeys
     
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    So young, so gay

    Monkeypox: US reports its first cases of virus in children
    So...is it time to give a **** about monkeypox yet?
     
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  13. Commodore

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    if a child gets monkeypox, CPS needs to immediately investigate
     
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    This is almost without exception a sexually transmitted disease and approximately 98% of the people who have contracted it are homosexual men, who have contracted it almost exclusively from anal sex. The remaining few people who have contracted it got it from very close contact with these people.

    This is a gay sex thing and any discussion about this by the media or anyone else that fails to mention that is deceitful and misleading. This is looking like the next leading candidate for a fear p*rn campaign.
     
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    From Slate magazine:

    Not Everyone Has to Be Equally Worried About Monkeypox

    The message that anyone can get monkeypox, widely disseminated by public health officials and the media, is not incorrect, but it is misleading. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lists direct contact with monkeypox sores, respiratory secretions during face-to-face contact, sex, cuddling, and touching contaminated items as potential transmission routes—but they’re not all equally risky. The raging social media debate about whether monkeypox can be considered a sexually transmitted infection misses the point: Right now, it is primarily spreading during sex and, like most STIs, it can be transmitted other ways as well.

    While anyone could potentially catch the virus through close physical contact, the “vast majority” of people getting it now are gay and bisexual men, according to CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. In a recent study of more than 500 cases in 16 countries, 98 percent were among men who have sex with men, and sexual contact was identified as the likely transmission route in 95 percent of cases.

    So far, there have been a relatively small number of cases outside of this group: health officials have reported around 100 monkeypox cases among women worldwide—about 1 percent of the global total. Last week the CDC announced the first two cases in children in the United States, both attributed to household contact. A slow start to testing efforts left some experts worried that monkeypox could be spreading undetected among women and kids. But as testing capacity has expanded and more women have gotten tested, few are turning up positive—just eight out of 2,891 cases in the United States, according to the CDC’s latest tally.

    The mixed messaging has left the public understandably confused. Women have gone viral on social media describing their frustration at being unable to get tested when they developed telltale sores, but many more common conditions, including herpes, staph infection, and acne can look like monkeypox. (Slate attempted to speak with women who tested positive but was unable to find any.)

    “The last thing I wanted to see was another disease outbreak just as things were starting to feel a bit more normal,” says Zie Gosset, 25, of Chattanooga, Tennessee, who has been watching all of this play out on her phone screen. “When monkeypox came around in mid-May, it brought up a lot of unresolved trauma and anxiety from the early months of 2020. Would I be at risk? Would I end up at home for nearly a month with a painful rash?” It didn’t help her anxiety to see social media pundits with hundreds of thousands of followers “state with certainly that monkeypox was going to rip through schools and businesses and rapidly infect everyone.”

    COVID taught us the perils of making predictions about a new epidemic, but many experts do not foresee an explosion of cases outside gay men’s sexual networks. The European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, for example, considers the likelihood of monkeypox spreading further among networks of people with multiple sex partners to be high, but the chances of it spreading among the broader population to be “very low.”
     
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    Why isnt the CDC and the U.S. Govt giving lectures about what to do for the greater good. For a long time we were told what to do, stay home, social distance, wear a mask, do this, do this, do this. It's your duty. Do your part, slow the spread, blah blah blah

    Why dont those same institutions advise homosexuals to just abstain from packing fudge for two weeks to slow the spread? Why aren't they being lectured?? It's their duty, it's for the greater good.
     
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    I was being sarcastic about the gay kids. From what I briefly know, monkeypox rising comes our success from smallpox eradication and this issue won't go away. I don't know about vax or whatever, but it seems like it could blow up like HIV.

    Is that what you mean by dark conclusion?
     
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    If children of promiscuous gay parents contracted it, and it's only contracted through gay male sex...
     

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