BR, I don't have to go that far to see Brahman (Brahma) cattle. I pass by some of the http://www.jdhudgins.com/ Brahman cattle outside of Hungerford. Last week Tuesday, I sat and watched calves go through the auction ring in Hallettsville. I have cited several sources to back my position. Cite your resources to support your position. Mango
heypartner, Why don't you go to the links provide by me and tell BR that he is wrong. It is a simple matter of my being right. BR makes statements that have no basis in fact. I cite facts to support myself. I am still waiting for him to cite his resources to support his position. You lumped me in with BR, when it is BR who keeps clinging to an undefensible position. Mango
it says bull right there at that site man,it may be cattle but its also bull. can you get off my back, geeez.
Mobley is Mad Max reincarnated. He is a good player, who thinks he is a superstar. He takes WAY to many shots, and tries to be too fancy far to often. However, I LOVE THE GUY !!! He plays with fire and emotion, something that a lot of over priced NBA players do not have. I say keep him, although if I was him, I would test the Free Agent market. DaDakota
Partner, I think the comparison to Maxwell is a good one except for the fact that they are really different players. Mobley scores more on penetration while Maxwell was almost exclusively a shooter. All that being said, I think the argument of taking the Mad out of the max takes away from your team is somewhat erroneous. It's sort of the Jake Plummer argument in football. "Wow, look at how intense he is and how he brings his team back from a huge deficit." Of course, what that fails to recognize is that Plummer was usually largely responsible for creating that deficit. Similarly, players like Max and Mobley will shoot you out of games more often than they shoot you in games. I still have hope that Mobley will grow into a player who realizes this. However, the basic premise stands that players like that are not necessarily that valuable or irreplaceable. This being said, the fact remains that Mobley is your best scorer and he is Steve Francis' best friend on the team. Given these two facts, if the Rockets want to re-sign Mobley to a longterm contract then I'm not necessarily opposed. I know how hard he worked this offseason. Players like THAT are rare. Hopefully he will work on passing this offseason instead of shooting. ------------------ Rockets When? Rockets When?
From Santa...merry xmas all...long night wrapping presents here. I thought I'd sneak to my computer for a little break. Mango you're cracking me up...man. that is one "bull" tangent you started. dd Mobley is Maxwell reincarnated. Everyone has to agree, keeping him through 90, 91, 92 really paid off didn't it? Barzilla I remember Maxwell doing many one-on-one drives to the basket. He loved that reverse layout. He wasn't all about taking passes from Hakeem. No?! And the Mad part, I am referring to his off-the-court problems and media quotes. arrests...missed practices...etc. Isn't that how he got the nickname? Anyone else have some nice pre-title memories of Maxwell?
I am glad you brought this up partner. I love the guy because he has heart, talent and could possibly be a future leader(yes I said LEADER) of this Rockets team. He has a fire about him and is full of emotion, but Mobley is in no way untouchable. He still has a long way to go in maturing. I was at the Rockets/Wizards game the other night and saw first hand how much more room he has to grow. One instance, he was taking his man one-on-one(as usual) and went into the paint where 3 of the Wizards big men were waiting. Mobley went up, missed the shot without being fouled. The Wizards grabbed the rebound and kicked it out to Strickland while Mobley ran, complaining to the ref, down the court. While defending his man, Mobley barely turned his head enough to say something to the ref about the no-call and his man ran right by him for an uncontested lay-up. Needless to say Rudy laid into Cuttino right away. Anyhow, my stance is that the Rockets keep Cuttino unless made an offer they can not refuse. Anything other than that, the Rockets should go all out to keep him in a Rockets uniform. ------------------ There is no offense without a good defense.
Swami, If you put Cato at center, then we still have a hole at PF. He's listed at 6'11" and 255 lbs, but he sure doesn't look like it. I'd much rather have someone with more bulk than what Cato has at the center spot. ------------------ I have a dream.........his name's Hakeem.
heypartner, I can't help it if someone doesn't realize that..... "bull"..the male of a bovine animal and certain other animals. Example: elephant bull. I just pulled the above definition from a 20 year old Random House paperback dictionary. TDS99 used to correct people on salary cap issues and has gone into semiretirement on that topic. I tried to correct a misconception about cattle and seem to have failed. I am going into semietirement on this cattle issue. Merry Christmas. Mango
Partner, Mobley is defintely a much more model citizen than Max will ever be. I guess I simply don't remember Max the same way you do though. I remember Max being a great defender who could penetrate but seemed to rely more on the three pointer. Mobley is a player who relies on the penetration but can also shoot. ------------------ Rockets When? Rockets When?
i think mobley defintely isnt tradeable now that francis in the chronicle article states he wants to finish his career here like Dream..... with Mobley a house away... http://www.chron.com/content/story.html/sports/bk/bkn/414109
Dreamer, You made a good point about the possibility of trading Mobley, and I generally agree with you. I just think our most glaring need is SF. It will be interesting to see how Kenny Thomas, Carlos Rogers and Kelvin Cato develop. I'd also like to see Venson Hamilton get a shot with the team if the season becomes a lost cause. We could always use more bulk in the paint, but quality big men are very difficult to find now days. Happy Holidays! [This message has been edited by Swami (edited December 26, 1999).]
How about this for an idea... Lets just keep the young nucleus together(Francis, Anderson, Mobley, Cato)and forget about all this trade talk. The only way we become a great team again is to not keep trading and tinkering. How is chemistry going to develop? Look, Mobley is a rare commodity in this league. He is a guy that can play multiple positions and can play in your face defense. Not to mention, he is what most of you whined about not having...someone to take it strong to the hoop, without fear or worry and play defense. And I love Anderson, another player many of you wanted on this team and now consider tradeable. I wish you can make up your minds. Before, we were old. Now, we want to play Monopoly, buying, trading, selling players that this league does not have many of. Its not about points. Its about effort and defense. How about if we just keep drafting or finding other ways besides giving away players who are barely 25 years old, athletic, etc? Just a thought. ------------------ Live Rocketball. Breathe Rocketball. Die with Rocketball.
I just think Shandon should be our two for years and Cat can bring us a stud power foward(probably a fairly young one at that).We really need frontcourt help and I believe we are not going to get an impact player at the 4 out of this draft.I really think the Rockets have the potential to turn things around and with a couple of subtle moves maybe make the playoffs.I haven't given up yet on this year.If SA's skills are utilized like they should be and we can get Cato into the starting lineup producing ,then when Dream comes back we can get in.Sam Mack still looms and if the Rocket's don't keep Mobes we can get some talent we need in the frontcourt,who knows.I love Cat's game,but the fact of the matter is we have SA and moving Cuttino for needs would be good for the present and future...just my opinion.....We shouldn't be anywhere close enough to get Kenyon Martin like alot of people have been wanting. HH [This message has been edited by Hardwood Hammer (edited December 26, 1999).]
Either that or move SA to the 3........but,how do we get our 4?Don't get me wrong Mobes has loads of game,he just needs to harness it.I don't know what's been going on with Rudy lately,but I'm beginning to get really worried. [This message has been edited by Hardwood Hammer (edited December 26, 1999).]
boooo few played along with my questions: Did you consider trading Maxwell in 90, 91, 92? Do you consider Mobley tradeable now? I'm willing to bet that your answer is No to both, or Yes to both. But not enough people played along, so we won't know. Wish I could change my thread title to "Do you think Cuttino is like Vernon?" instead we had yet another thread about trades and who we need. ugh. The same talk gets boring, don't you think?
Yes,I would trade Cat for the right deal,but Vernon is another story.People talk about Cat's defense,But Vernon guarded M.J. better than anybody he ever played against.He was and is a streaky player.They are very similiar,but I don't think Cat comes close defensively.
OK Heypartner, If you take the Mad out, I don't think you trade Max, and I don't think you trade Mobley now for the reasons you have already pointed out. Cat is frustrating when he goes one on one too often and doesn't deliver. Remember, folks, he is only in his second year after the shortened rookie year. He definately has raw skills. So did MJ, Gary Payton, Kareem, Hakeem and just about everybody else that turned out great. How did they play in their first few years? Everyone raved about their potential, but did they take their teams to any championships in their early years? Cat will be much better in two years than he is now. Same thing with Francis. We still don't know about Kenny Thomas. He has been spotty, but he certainly hasn't had enough time to show what he can do.
Almu, did someone else login with your username? I can't think of any other explanation for me agreeing with you 100%.
