Mo Williams available... Could he shore up our PG spot sufficiently?

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Do the people saying he shoots a lot realize how much Rafer Alston shoots?

He took 12.5 shots a game at a ~40% clip on a good team while Mo took 13.9 shots a game at a ~44% clip on a bad team. How many shots would Rafer have taken on that team?

 

lets get him...he will be our 3rd scorer...

 

no way!! i hate this ball hogger

 

Oh, so the difference is that he's a young chucker and not an old chucker? Well John Hammond must be out of his mind because he's putting a player that keeps getting better every year on the market. I thought rebuilding teams wanted to keep young, improving players? You must see something he doesn't.

Before we start arguing about Mo's merits, please tell us how many bucks games you watched last year? I can't have a rational conversation against someone who can't put numbers in context. He's on the trading block and bucks fans want him gone badly. It's because of his play, not off-court issues. I very much doubt you watched any bucks games besides the one he had against he rockets. If you're going to spout numbers, start by telling us how many games you watched.

 

A Young Antoine Walker even as a chucker was pretty good

 

MrButtocks - I have wathed 15-20 Bucks games and unlike u, I watch the entire game and team and not just some softie 7 fter. Also, calling him a chucker is just dumb or ignorant, u decide which one. In all my yrs of playing up to collegiate ball have 14 atts and 48% been called chucking. Chucking is 39% with 12.5 atts. So lets see, one guy shoots almost 50%, avg 17ppg 6asst and 85ft while another guy takes 12.5 shots, 13ppg 5asst and 70% ft and ur asking who is the better player?

I will line my basketball knowledge and experience against anyone on this board. It doesn't mean I know evereything, but I know Mo Williams isn't a chucker because ur man Yi doesn't get enough touches.

 

no way.

 

How many assists had AI and Starbery have?

 

I'm not saying a chucker is bad by default. Redd is numero uno on the bucks in terms of chucking and he'd be more useful on this team than Mo. Redd can probably play mostly off the ball; Mo dominates the ball to hoist up his shots.

 

What are you trying to say? If Mo W shoots 48 % isn't it a good thing then that he is a chucker? Or do you mean he messes with the "offensive flow" of the team ?

 

What is there to debate here? If you factor in all facets of the game including defense, Mo Williams overall is still much better than Rafer Alston. If the Rockets were to obtain Mo, he would be the starting pg whether Rafer is here or not.

 

Exactly the same thing said last year about Francis and James.

 

Cmon Carl Herrera, even you have to admit that Mo Williams, who is in his prime and in his mid 20s, is an overall better basketball player than Rafer Alston. If you don't, then you're just not being objective.

 

I agreed that Mo Williams might be a better player overall, but that doesn't mean he fits the Rockets better than Rafer, especially for the starting PG role.. Mo Williams doesn't know anything about defense, Rafer does, so if we do get Mo William, it's better to start Rafer and let Mo come off the bench, which is quite expensive for a bench player...

 

So i guess the Rox thought Rafer was a defensivw stallwart right? So why he couldnt keep Williams from getting to the rack at the end of the game. I guess Eddie House is a great defender also. Its about team defense, so as long as he's willing to give effort, he can be a good defender. Now Rafer is a defensive stopper too? Rafer fits this offense as well as Williams did early in his career. Once the got rid of the guy and got a more consistent shooter/scorer, the kings offense became deadly. If u go to page 2 of this thread and look at the shot zones and u tell me why he cant fit.

 

I already told you about why, reread my post, Mo William don't know how to defense. If you think anyone can play defense, then that's like saying everyone can shoot at 40%+., including Rafer..

 

By your post its clear what ur looking for in players vs me. I'm looking for good players that can play effeciently and ur worried about players for Yao. Once again, this is the Houston Rockets, not Yao Rockets or Ming Rockets. I'm not worried about Yao. If ur a great player, u can play with anyone. Look no further than the celts, the heat of the past couple yr. Yao is part of a team which is part of a organization not the other way around. When Yao is retired or leaves, I will still be cheering for the Rox, how about u.

You say Williams isn't a good midrange shooter, go look at the hotzones from page 2 in this very thread if u need stats to back it up. U talk about playing defense. How many Celtics were known as defensive players other than K.G. and Posey. Defense in the nba is a team and scheme thing. U can have a team of long atheletic players like Denver, but the coaching and scheme don't allow and they don't believe in beng a good defense. Defending is a skill that requires buying into the scheme and committed to it. Shooting is entirely different. Good shooters are from early age. Rafer will never be a good shooter. He has never even been decent in his life.

Yu talk about fastbreak, how many fastbreaks do the team get now with the playground legend right now? A fast break is the primary which is 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 with a secondary break which is a trailer. If Rafe gets the rebound and Tracy doesn't fill the lane, and Yao can't really run followed by Battier running to the corner, how can u fast break?

Like I said earlier, its not about Yao or Tracy, its about the team. Improving the talent by upgrading the pg and or sf should be a priority. Wasting yrs is what they did when they traded a lotto pick for glue. Wasting is believing Rafer can help u win a title. Wasting is worrying about the feelings of anyone on the team. Its about rings and nothing else.