So let me get this straight: We give up: A future first round pick - This pick will probably be a late round pick as this team improves and plays together. Late first round picks are not guarantees and being NBA caliber players AND you are required to pay them. This gets us out from under a future contract to a late first round player we might not even want. Mo Taylor - Decent sixth man offensive PF. We already have one of those and he starts. He makes a bunch of money and his contract doesnt come off the books any time soon. We get: Moochie Norris - For as bad as he his, he's probably better than Strickland and/or Barret. His contract is smaller and comes off the books sooner. His contract not only comes off the books sooner, but adds trade value to him for an expiring contract. Vin Baker - Underperformer. Mid sized contract that comes off the books before Mo. Will probably take Mo's seat on the bench, but he MIGHT contribute some. Contract becomes valuable trade bait because it will be an expiring contract. So we traded: Big contract + Guaranteed first round contract that we probably don't even want for Two small/mid sized contracts that come off the books sooner and could have trade value as expiring contracts over the summer. Long term: We win the money game. Less money over less years. Short term: Mooch and Vin MIGHT play and MIGHT be an upgrade over a limping 100 year old PG and a PF who wears suits to every game. Good trade
you're nuts if you think Mo Taylor (and his contract) and OUR 1st round pick (which could end up being the 19-23rd pick) could fetch more than a better player at the 4 and a veteran back up PG
So we can all be on the same page; can you list all the young, shot-blockers that were available that your proposed package could have landed?
I know Bender isn't reporting the team option, but I think Hoopshype is right on this one... From the Chronicle, on the Weatherspoon-Norris trade... Link Norris was such a key to the Rockets' plans that he was signed to six-year, $22.7 million contract with the last season at the team's option. Honestly, makes me wonder why we did the Norris trade in the first place since their contracts ended at the same time, and Spoon makes more money. michechon- Jones isn't even averaging 5 pts a game and got into all of 20 games last year, and Vujacic isn't averaging 3 points a game. Calling them rotation players even is probably a stretch, though Jones is starting to come on. Songaila and Elson were 2nd rounders, and both played around or under 15 minutes a game last year. Elson was actually drafted in 99, and spent 4 years overseas before the Nuggets called on him. Hopefully, we have 2 of these guys coming our way soon. Basically, for our purposes the Knicks paid $10 million for our pick. If this makes it financially solvent for us to now be able to extend a full MLE offer to guys on the market this summer at the 4 slot, I'm happy with it. This could make us a player in the RFA market- look at how the Knicks got Crawford last summer. They agreed to take on Jerome Williams, who had 3 years and 18+ mill remaining plus an option year. We now have around 25 mill in expiring contracts (Wesley, Mutombo, Weatherspoon, Baker, Norris) to play with this summer and next trade deadline.
This is good move, that MIGHT have some potential. 1.) Rockets: Financially, it was a good move. 2.) ClutchBBS: Tons of bashing potential (Mo Taylor bashing was getting old). Is Vin off the sauce?
NJ, my point is anything but these two. We did not need a 4 and PG. We just answered our PG problems earlier today. Mooch does not even get playing time on a bad knicks team, so I do not consider him a veteran backup. We now have Sura & James, and Barret is just fine as a 3rd PG.
Let's take a look at the stats of the players we will be receiving in this deal... Vin Baker 8 minutes per game .342 FG% 1.4 pts 1.5 rbs Moochie Norris 10 minutes per game .344 FG% 2.6 pts 1.1 asts We basically traded 1 player that will never play a minute for us for 2 players that will never play a minute for us. Moochie has two years left on his contract, and Vin has one more year left. So essentially we traded a 1st round pick for about 5 million in cap relief after the 2006 season. We overpaid.
This is exactly the same as the other trades from earlier this season. Much of the same reactions came after the trade for Barry and then after the trade for Wesley. In other words, let's give it some time to see what happens. Who knows, Vin Baker might have a renaissance (please, try to get off the ground laughing). Any production is gravy. Moochie, well, Moochie is Moochie. He's 3rd string and purely for depth purposes.
i think the trade was more to rid ourselves of Mo's contract and the guaranteed money we would have to pay a 1st rounder to get back a guy ( Baker) who is more servicable than Mo...Mooch was more of a throw in IMO...I agree that AB is just fine. With the new CBA on the horizon, cutting salary here will make sense when the new luxury tax kicks in
Somehow I can't stop giggling since I heard we got Moochie back. This is the funniest trade news this season. I mean, Moochie itself is funny enough. And you have to add Baker on top of that. And all for Mo Taylor. LOL!
I like the deal now that I thinkn about it ... Lose the 1st round pick, but in exchange we are going to be able to go out and get a proven player in free agency that we wouldn't have been able to get before. With our 1st round picks lately, I think I'll take this move. BUT ... why would Isaiah Thomas do this? Isn't he already in Salary Cap hell ... I guess its not hot enough for him
Maybe the pick is protected? Is it known yet? In any case, this is clearly a trade for Moochie. Yao was being disruptive, and we needed his buddy around to settle him down before he ruined the team's chemistry. A Jack Haley deal, so now we can get Yao to stay.... Oh well, we made at least one clearly good trade today.
On realgm it says that Baker's contract is roughly 11.7% of the cap while Mo's count's as 28% of the cap. So if my calculations are correct, Vin's contract is a little more than a 1/3 of Mo's. Mo makes about 9 million per season so that would equal about 4 million a year for Baker's contract. Right???? I'm not really sure how it works.
