Ah hopefully the chronicle was just reporting what we all just heard from Chad Ford. There is still nothing on the Rockets official site. I am hoping the CNNSI information is correct.
Excellent.... I just checked...and THE MENTION OF THE FIRST ROUND PICK IS GONE CD is kickin Ass and Taking names today!!!
Ok. Now. Someone call Mayor White and have him issue a proclamation that February 24 shall be known as Carroll Dawson day from henceforth (until he does a horrible trade or draft pick).
Let's hope the NY report is right and the Chron got it wrong. If that's true, CD should be named GM of the year!
No it doesn't. The Ted Stepien rule is 2 years. A team can not be without a first round pick for two years into the future. However, as others stated, the Spurs were owed a pick by the Suns. They're trading this pick, and next years pick. They still have their first rounder this year, so this is completely legal. As of right now, the Spurs can not trade their first round pick this year, or their pick in 2007, but they can trade the rights to the player they pick once they make their pick this year. If we just offloaded 10 million on the Knicks without giving up our first rounder...CD rocks.
From the NY Daily News: The New York Knicks agreed to two deals before Thursday's NBA trading deadline to acquire Malik Rose and two No. 1 picks from San Antonio and forward Maurice Taylor from Houston. Both deals were awaiting league approval one hour after the NBA's 3 p.m. EST trade deadline and hadn't yet been finalized. The Knicks would send starting center Nazr Mohammed and backup point guard Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Rose and the two picks — a first-round choice in 2005 that originally belonged to Phoenix, and San Antonio's No. 1 pick in 2006. In the Taylor trade, Houston would get backup center Vin Baker and point guard Moochie Norris. No mention of a 1st round pick here, either. I LOVE YOU, CD!
From Foxsports -- no mention of Rocket's sending a draft pick. N.Y. gets Rose from Spurs, Taylor from Rockets Chris Sheridan / Associated Press Posted: 28 minutes ago NEW YORK (AP) - The New York Knicks agreed to two deals before Thursday's NBA trading deadline to acquire Malik Rose and two No. 1 picks from San Antonio and forward Maurice Taylor from Houston. Both deals were awaiting league approval one hour after the NBA's 3 p.m. EST trade deadline and hadn't yet been finalized. The Knicks would send starting center Nazr Mohammed and backup point guard Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Rose and the two picks - a first-round choice in 2005 that originally belonged to Phoenix, and San Antonio's No. 1 pick in 2006. In the Taylor trade, Houston would get backup center Vin Baker and point guard Moochie Norris. The moves appeared to be a sign that Knicks president Isiah Thomas was placing a greater emphasis on rebuilding through the draft. New York would have its own No. 1 and the Suns' first-round pick this June, and the 2006 pick from the Spurs would put the Knicks back into the first-round of that draft. Thomas traded the Knicks' own 2006 first-round pick to Phoenix as part of the Stephon Marbury deal. So while their Atlantic Division opponents all made significant upgrades - New Jersey dealt for Vince Carter and Cliff Robinson, Philadelphia got Chris Webber and Rodney Rogers, and Boston agreed to a deal with Atlanta to reacquire Antoine Walker - the Knicks made two moves that left little-used Bruno Sundov as their only true center. Kurt Thomas, the player most frequently mentioned in pre-deadline trade speculation surrounding the Knicks, will likely move back to center - the position he played before Mohammed was acquired from Atlanta slightly more than a year ago. Rose and Taylor would add depth at the power forward spot, where the Knicks have been giving an increased role to second-year forward Michael Sweetney. New York (21-33) was in last place in the Atlantic Division heading into its game Thursday night against Philadelphia. For the Spurs, the acquisition of Mohammed would provide an additional option at center behind Rasho Nesterovic. Mohammed, in his seventh NBA season, also could be used as the backup to Tim Duncan at power forward - the role Rose had for the last 7 1/2 seasons. Mohammed was averaging 10.9 points and 8.1 rebounds for the Knicks, while Rose averaged 6.3 points and 4.5 rebounds for San Antonio. Rose, a fan favorite in San Antonio, was nearly dealt to the Knicks a year ago for Kurt Thomas in a deadline-day trade that fell through at the last minute. Norris, who averaged 2.6 points and 1.1 assists in a limited role backing up Stephon Marbury, was the second point guard acquired by Houston on Thursday. Earlier, the Rockets got playmaker Mike James, along with center Zendon Hamilton, from Milwaukee for Reece Gaines and two second-round picks. Baker also was playing sparingly for the Knicks, averaging a team-low 1.4 points. The four-time All Star, in his 12th season, would join a Houston roster that already includes ex-Knicks Charlie Ward, Dikembe Mutombo and Clarence Weatherspoon. http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3418778?print=true
ESPN did mention that a 1st round pick was involved but maybe they got their information from another source like Ford.
CD giving up a 1st rounder= 40% of the board going, "CD You Idiot" 60% of the board going, "It's not so bad guys" CD not giving up a 1st rounder= 99% of the board going, "CD FOR PRESIDENT" 1% of the board (aka Will) going, "I wanna have CD's baby." Edit: I'm pretty sure that it was Will that wanted to be impregnated by some Rockets. The search is off right now so I can't check. But mea culpa if I'm wrong.
That just about sums it up! If CD pulled this off without giving up a 1st rounder, then Isiah Thomas is a damn fool.
CD you are da man... what a trade!!! got rid of mo, and took contracts that will give us cap relief. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Although he did get 2 1st rounders from the Spurs -- but I agree he's a fool for some of the other moves he's made.
Not questioning you Nike, but why on some draft nights do the commentators announce that somebody is drafting for somebody else, since they can not trade their draft picks away in consecutive years?
Well, if its true that we didn't give away a first round pick, then I'm FOR this trade. Moving Mo is more about chemistry than anything else, and if Baker or Norris don't quickly buy in, they'll be gone by this summer. Breaking Mo's big contract into 2 smaller contracts make it easier for trading, and Baker will have some value as an expiring contract next year. Moochie, well, maybe he'll get released or he could get some playing time, if he agrees not to dribble us to death. At one point there, he did try to do things JVG's way, and was passing effectively. But, I think he fell in with the old crew, and lost his way again. All these trades have been about one thing, IMHO. It's been to get players who buy into TEAM, and have higher BB IQ. It's addition by subtraction, not just from the malaise that was on the Rockets, but from the Magic. Now, whenever anyone is added, they'll have to adjust to the new JVG standard which has been set, and which has had success. Even though I believe MoT is a great talent, he hasn't evidently bought in, and its better to move him, than allow him to stay as a cancer. The old crew and the old standards with resistance are now gone. Baker also brings something different than Mo, eliminating the redundance of Taylor and Howard, and Morris could bring some depth to the PG position, if he is kept. This gives us more flexibility, not only in players, but in future trading to build the team into a championship contender. The James trade helps us NOW. I'm thrilled with that trade, because it stabilizes the PG position for us, not only now, but in the future, and James is very much a prototype JVG PG, as a good defender, spot shooter, 3 pointer, quick and team player. He fits. I wonder if Moochie will fit too? If we didn't send NY the first rounder, then it all makes sense. If we did, then it feels more like the Rice trade, which I understand from a financial perspective and trading flexibility, but feels more like fixing past mistakes. And, if that's what it is, then that's what it is, but it doesn't feel good. Hey, one good thing, though, is that we finally used the TE for something good from the Rice trade! That does show how positioning ourselves for the future has value. Overall, I think we ended up a better and deeper team today: Yao/Deke/Baker Howard/Padgett/Spoon TMac/Bowen Wesley/Barry Sura/James/Norris/Barrett
I am feeling better because I was pissed before b/c 1) the Spurs traded a lesser talent (Rose) with a longer and almost as big (as MoT's) contract and probably the last 1st round draft pick for a solid back-up center (Nahz) on a shorter contract. Sorry, but Rose is a less an older and scrubbier PF in this league than MoT--and his contract was worse. That would have been a hell of deal for the Spurs. 2) we trade a guy who can actually play even if overpayed (MoT) for two guys who can't play and whose combined salary is almost as much. We really get barely any salary savings from Mo's contract next year, and the year after only about 60% savings, the year after that everyone is off the books on both teams. I believe Moochie's contract in practice will end in 07, as with MoT's, b/c of course we won't exercise a team option on Mooch in 08. Honestly on this deal alone the Knicks should have at least sent us a 2nd rounder. However assuming both 1st rounders are coming from SA both deals look a lot more balance. I hope Baker has some use left though.
