it's a stat correction though. and one where the definitive result of the correct call and everything thereafter (nothing) can be determined. nobody is hurt by the change.
They can do conferences in baseball. It happens all the time. LOL at holding up the NBA as an example of better officiating. HILARIOUS. I'd rep you if I thought you actually meant it to be funny!
i don't know, but this is from jerome solomon's twitter: Jim Leyland says Joyce told him he thought the runner "beat it." Bobble not an issue
Is there any precedent it for it in any sport? It's not just a stat correction because it would remove an official at bat from the guy who made the 28th out, etc. I honestly don't know if there is an instance in a major sports league where the commissioner made a decision to basically remove events at the end of a game from the history books.
LOL gotta love the One-A-Day commercial with the umpire making a "SAFE" call at the end that just aired on ESPN.
Umpire: 'I just cost that kid a perfect game' DETROIT -- Armando Galarraga of the Detroit Tigers lost his bid for a perfect game Wednesday night with two outs in the ninth inning on a call that first base umpire Jim Joyce later admitted he blew. First baseman Miguel Cabrera cleanly fielded Jason Donald's grounder to his right and made an accurate throw to Galarraga covering the bag. The ball was there in time, and all of Comerica Park was ready to celebrate the 3-0 win over Cleveland, until Joyce emphatically signaled safe. The veteran ump regretted it. "I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay." "It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989. Tigers manager Jim Leyland immediately argued the call and was joined by several of his players after the final out. Galarraga was trying to pitch the third perfect game in the majors this season. Galarraga (2-1) was in complete control throughout the night. Then Donald's groundball became the flash point of the night, and perhaps the season. After center fielder Austin Jackson made a spectacular catch on Mark Grudzielanek's leadoff fly in the ninth and Mike Redmond grounded out, Donald came up with two outs. Galarraga caught Cabrera's toss and smiled, knowing what he'd just done. He held up his glove hand and started to make an out call with his right hand. And then Joyce made his call. Galarraga looked stunned and Comerica Park went silent in disbelief. A couple of Tigers put their hands to their heads. Galarraga quietly went back to work as the crowd started to boo. Cabrera continued to argue the call as Galarraga quickly retired Trevor Crowe for the one-hit shutout. Joyce faced a group of hostile Tigers -- led by Leyland -- between the pitching mound and home plate after the final out and was booed lustily by the crowd of 17,738 as he walked off the field. "I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me." Roy Halladay of the Philadelphia Phillies pitched a perfect game Saturday night at Florida, and Dallas Braden of the Oakland Athletics did it against Tampa Bay on May 9. Until then, there had never been two perfect games in the same season in the modern era. Colorado's Ubaldo Jimenez pitched a no-hitter, too, at Atlanta on April 17. Galarraga struck out three and walked none, and was a most unlikely star. He was recalled from Triple-A Toledo on May 16 after pitching poorly during spring training, losing out in a competition for the final spot in the rotation to Dontrelle Willis, who was traded Tuesday, and Nate Robertson, who was dealt to Florida toward before the team broke camp. The 28-year-old native of Venezuela had success in 2008, going 13-7, but he had done nothing quite like the masterful performance he had against the Indians. He started with a 2-0 count against Crowe, then attacked the strike zone and kept most of the weakly hit balls on the infield. Cabrera hit his 15th homer to give Detroit a 1-0 lead in the second inning and Magglio Ordonez had an RBI single in the two-run eighth. Fausto Carmona (4-4) pitched well. He gave up three runs -- two earned -- on nine hits and no walks. The Indians came close to getting a hit twice before their disputed single. Galarraga almost became the first Tiger to throw a perfect game. Justin Verlander threw the sixth no-hitter in franchise history on June 12, 2007.
Yeah his quote was that he was convinced the runner beat the throw. Absolutely convinced of it "until [he] saw the replay."
Hey buddy, you're jumping to conclusions. I'm not suggesting baseball umpires don't confer with each other; I AM suggesting to give managers the discretion to request and be granted an appeal on judgment calls (right now it's only done by umpire's discretion). That's a big difference. Secondly where in the post did I suggest NBA officials are "better"? I simply gave a legitimate scenario in which uncertainty is conferred for accuracy (fouls are an entirely different situation that is incomparable to baseball). With calls like this one tonight in baseball, it's whatever one guy says is the call, regardless if it's the right one.
wow up 3-0, 1 out to go. why is it even a question if the play is close? This guy obviously was looking for something.
I'm as disappointed about the call as anybody and even if the ump wasn't questioning whether Galaragga had clear possession of the ball, I saw one angle where it did appear that the ball may have been moving toward the lip of his glove while the runner tagged 1st. I found this definition of a catch and highlighted one phrase: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rule2.shtml I suppose there is a judgment call on that highlighted portion and I'm not even sure if the ball was still moving around when the runner tagged. All I'm saying is that the one angle made it seem like a possibility. Even if the ump wasn't looked at that, maybe it takes some of the bite out of the situation. Maybe not. I think the guy should have been called out regardless.
If it's a 50/50 call with 1 out left to complete a perfect game and the potential perfect game pitcher is up 3 runs...you HAVE to give that to him. Throw all rule definitions out the window, how can you side with pretty much a meaningless runner to ruin history like that if your the umpire?! Sportscenter has been doing pieces about how "out of control" the umpires have been lately. This will definately boost that piece
Yea, I think it should've been an out no matter what. I guess I'm just looking for something to take away the sting. Galaragga got robbed.
I'm predicting that ump's house gets vandalized before tomorrow. That's my prediction on the form of "retaliation" he receives tonight
All the credit to Joyce for admitting his mistake. Even more credit to Galarraga for being all class. He never said one thing to the ump He would have been well within his right to explode on the ump when the call was made...instead he just smiled. As I said eariler, it was one of the worst calls in baseball history. At least the ump had the balls to admit it. Sux for him that he's going to be remembered for this forever. Any sport is better when you never know who the refs/umps/officials are. The best officials are the ones you never know are there. Everyone is going to know who Jim Joyce is for years to come.
Well said. The ref will have to live with this forever and am glad he admitted to his mistake. Selig can do everybody right and change the damn outcome.
