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MLB and MLBPA 2022 Master Agreement Negotiations

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Marshall Bryant, Oct 6, 2021.

  1. Major

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    This doesn't make any sense. A larger labor market helps small businesses - it doesn't shatter them. It means there's more competition for jobs, meaning employers can pay less.
     
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    In theory you're correct.

    In reality not so much.

    This is coming from a small business owner. Of course I dont hire illegals.
     
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    This is what Charles O. Finley proposed when the courts made MLB use the free agent system. Charlie O. was brilliant, if MLB had listened to him and gone to a year to year FA system the union would've been broken within 5 years and MLB would've been better for it. Instead we have the system we have now and the current system is much fairer than it used to be with the luxury tax and weighted draft slots, plus a limited spending amount in the international pool.
     
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    More so talking about lockdowns and rona restrictions. The damage is already done in most cases.
     
  5. Major

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    I'm a small business owner too - one of mine got shut down permanently due to Covid. The small business problems aren't due to lots of immigration or other labor market supply problems - they are due to other market distortions related to Covid and government intervention. Having too many potential employees is not the problem businesses are facing right now.
     
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    Why would lockdowns or covid restrictions cause employers to lock employees out? This is what you said:

    Not only in sports, but as the labor market becomes endlessly saturated thanks to non-stop immigration and the shattering of small businesses, I expect employer lockouts to become more common, especially as unions weaken and decline further.

    You're saying a big labor market and lockdowns will cause employer lockouts to become more common? It's even weirder that you connect it to unions declining when lockouts can only even theoretically happen if there's a union to lockout. Without unions, there are no lockouts at all since each employee is an individual unit.
     
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    You're right, wages will simply decline at will as the labor market continues its ceaseless expansion, the atomized individual stands no chance against the Bezos' and Zukerbergs of the world.

    No reason to lock anyone out when you can just fire them and replace them with endless cheap labor.

    I cite the decline of small business as the monopolization of employment itself by a few large conglomerates. You only see mass action in the very few places where Unions are still influential, IE: Airline Pilots going on strike over vax mandates.
     
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    I agree what you said is totally messed up. I'm not sure we want the set up that Somalia is using. Small government, no regulation, let the chip fall where they may will not give MLB a stable business model.
     
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    America is much closer to the Chinese/East German all knowing god-state than we are Somalia.

    Wanting less government intervention makes you a fan of Somalia as much as wanting roads makes you a fan of Josef Stalin. 0/10 straw man.
     
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    I just want them to put a cap on contract lengths so we have a chance at resigning Correa and you guys are pushing this thread to the D&D.
     
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    The "Submissive" agreement in still bent over and cuffed to the bed.
     
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    "Illegals"? Try speaking like an adult
     
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    I didn't stutter

    They are what they are if the laws in place are followed.
     
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    Can this thread go back to being about baseball labor and not political/economic arguments?
     
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    Not at all. China and East German are and were big governement. Somalia is as lais·sez-faire as you can get. You should learn the definitions of straw man before you use the term.
     
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    Do players under contract get paid if there's a lockout?
     
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    Incorrect, there aren’t airline pilots striking over the VAX mandate. It is illegal for any union in the airline industry to strike without the mediator releasing both parties (management and union) from contract negotiations for a cool down period before be released to self-help. This governed under the RLA (Railway Labor Act). The mediator of course is appointed by the National Mediation Board. This whole process takes years for it before any airline airline union to strike.

    What you are seeing is information picketing and protests without any work stoppage or illegal job actions. Coordinated job actions by any union in the airline industry is considered illegal without being officially released to self help and has in the past resulted in hefty fines imposed on unions who have been sued over such in the past.

    There higher ups in ALPA (Air Line Pilots Association), the predominant pilot in the US who have wanted to push to repeal or change the century old Railway Labor Act before they believe it has tilted the playing cards in Management favor allowing management to utilize tactics to stall contract negotiations. But ALPA lawyers have argued it’s better to go fight the beast you are familiar with vs the beast your aren’t, therefore killing any drive to to change to RLA. I have a feeling, airline management feels the same way about not wanting the RLA messed with.
     
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