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Mister Vecsey on Stevie Franchise

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Sep 26, 2003.

  1. lancet

    lancet Contributing Member

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    GIVE YAO THE DAMN BALL!
     
  2. francis 4 prez

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    well gee, awesome.

    nba seasons aren't test runs for ideas you're not sure about, especially when it pertains to the entire identity of the offense. and lets guess who all the b****ing will be directed toward. it certainly won't be yao.


    that was so far and away a moochie problem more than steve or cat it's not even funny. and yao had plenty of "hold the ball for a few seconds, make a few moves, get stuck on the moves, freeze, toss it back out with 3 or 4 on the clock, usually to cuttino for 3" moments last season. but most people just blocked those out.


    awww, having to attack the user name. been a fan for 14 years, chose the name b/c francis was my favorite guy at the time (after hakeem was gone) and didn't realize sf would become public enemy no. 1 around here. but i do understand, francis isn't good at defense. but it's always hilarious to see uninformed people like yourself parrot the same incorrect tripe over and over like the jr bremer story.

    francis avg'd 29.5/9/7 against the celtics
    bremer avg'd 14.5/3/5.5 or so against us

    hardly domination on jr's part. oh, and we won both games. but dissing steve is more important than being accurate, right?
     
  3. Just B

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    Good argument!:rolleyes:
     
  4. Panda

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    Bremer average:

    02-03 BOS mins23.5 fg%.369 rbs2.30 asts2.6 ppg8.3

    Great to see Francis picking up his game to offset his defensive liability. On most nights though, we don't worry about Yao over the same thing.
     
  5. Texas Stoke

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    hey man, I was kidding with you. I like your name. I think its cool.

    My point was if Steve is going to ask Yao to play up to Duncan and Shaq's level before he becomes the first option then he has to dominate his position as well and that doesn'tmean him going out and taking 20 shots to score 20 something points during a game, it means dominating both sides of the ball, which Francis rarely, if ever, did last year.
     
  6. vunny1408

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    dude, your basing the stats from last year. 13/8 so what?? thats last years stats. you're saying steve gets 20/6 and he's more efficient offensively. If Yao gets the same minutes as Steve does, THIS YEAR, he will surely come close or be better. But thats BESIDES the point. I'm not bashing Steve either, I think he's a great PG and he's been receptive to change i.e. he's willing to sacrifice his game for the greater good.

    As many people have pointed out,running the offense through Yao DOES NOT mean he will be the NO 1 scoring option, maybe he will, maybe he wont. BUT basically it will open things up for the rest of the team and make them a better passing team which will result in BETTER shots.

    ITS A NEW YEAR, with a lot of new surroundings, new players, new coaching staff, new arena, new uniforms, and it's time to instil a new system. So stop living in the past.

    LETS TRY NEW THINGS AND SEE HOW IT PANS OUT.
     
  7. francis 4 prez

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    i agree, but the problem is this is only an offensive argument. if steve called him out for not shutting shaq down, i'd call him a moron. but in terms of scoring/creating, steve does it better against the best pg's than yao against the best centers and that's just a fact right now. it may change in game 1 if yao is all of a sudden an aggressive badass dude, but for right now i just think steve gives us the better consistent shot to provide offense and thus the better more consistent chance to help us win. if i thought yao was better, i'd want him to get the ball. i just don't right now.
     
  8. Panda

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    How many times was Yao double-teamed and how many times was Francis double-teamed?
     
  9. Lemarc

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    I've learned that we shouldn't believe most of the things that Francis says...Why you say?? Because none of the stinking promises have come true... But he's my boy though!

    We just want Stevie to pass the ball a little quicker... Come up the court a little quicker... If he knows he is not going to pass... Then we want him to shoot a little quicker. And I dont think that were asking too much from him.

    He's really almost the best at his position; talent wise and now it is his time to show that he can make others better; Namely the Rockets who will share the most minutes on the court with the Franchise...The Dynasty...The Cat...Fast Eddie...The Mooch...and Ricerroni:eek: .
     
  10. Lemarc

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    Whoa... Now as mean and wicked as what you said was...It was some truth to that.

    Sometimes in the past few years, I really cant understand how Francis head was so big because we've all seen him get eaten alive by some 7ppg point guards.

    The lord is telling me to testify right nowwww......

    JR Brimmer, Gilbert Arenas (before we heard of him), Andre Miller, Bimbo Coles, Eric Snow, Daryl Armstrong, and Lil' Earl Boykins guy...

    These players didn't just have good games, they ripped the crap out of the Franchise before, sure he had a good game in most of the match ups, but what the hec is the point of having your best player split even with the other team's chump???:confused:
     
  11. Texas Stoke

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    Lemarc, you know the thing about that is is that you and I know Francis has the athletic ability to dominate on defense. Forget dominating though, he doesn't even have to be Gary Payton on defense, just be a little above average on defense, and I could accept that. But with all that atheletic ability the dude doesn't even seem to try.

    I hear you on Francis being your boy too. I'm always rooting for the Rockets and Francis and will never just flat out dog a player.

    Just a few more days till training camp...this season is gonna rock!
     
  12. DavidS

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    I read the article with caution...looking for signs of improvement from Francis... a change of heart, anything...

    The following is a good sign...

    "In the meantime, Francis declares, "I'll do anything to win and make any sacrifice to make the playoffs." "

    That's all I care about right now. I want to wait until the season starts to see how the "system" works. I suspect that "inside-out" doesn't mean that Yao will take all the shots. I would hate that. Hopefully, JVG will take advantage of Yao's passing ablity. But for that to happen, there has to be a lot more movement from the rest of the team. No more "standing around Rudy ball!"
     
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    I'm sorry. I just had to point this out with me being an avid reader of the Post............

    Your talkin about the very same New York Post and Peter Vescey that broke the scoop on Rudy T's resignation and JVG's hiring with the Rockets. And this is not there first scoop either.

    National Enquirer status................I think not!

    [​IMG]
     
  14. nbastar

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    Oh really? I'm really beginning to see where you're getting at but sorry, your point isn't helping the team. Aren't most team at the beginning of the season try to work out the best lineup and plays to see how or what works best? Are you going to say I'm totally wrong here? I don't know why you are so against Yao as the main man to give the ball to. I don't see anything wrong with it. Let see how it all pans out. Seems to me it work well last year when they put the ball in Yao's hand. This is the year to do it. Its now or never.

    Steve has totally no class for stating that about Yao in the first place. You suppose to encourage your teammates.
     
  15. Rob English

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    Rudy put the ball in Yao's hands more for a reason. He wasn't getting the desired results he wanted with the offence primarily outside-inside. Remember the chalkboard with the words stressed clearly, "Yao Ming Touches" as reported in the Chronicle? He wanted him to have at least 30 touches in a game. That should tell you something right there. I love Steve, but he can't have the "I'm the first option" mentality so ingrained in his head. It should be both of them being the first option together, taking opportunities as they come their way.
     
  16. Noise

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    SF is stupid as a point guard.

    Period.

    You can not let Kobe be a point guard.
    SF as a point guard has been a joke for how long? He has earned his right by making the playoffs for .... Zero season. Only so called SF fans are blind on this issue.

    Move him to 2. He is a good, maybe great player, but never a smart player. You can make Kobe a point guard before you do SF. Kobe is selfish (every one is) but he is smart. SF is selfish and not smart. He only know he wants to win, not how to win.

    We are a young team. Excuse me? SF is a grown man. You cannot change his mentality or IQ. It is too late.

    Move him to 2.

    This has nothing to do with Yao Ming. Rox will be a better team by moving SF to 2 , no matter who is the center.

    Look at other peoples take on SF since he became a 1.

    Face it: SF has the talent, not the brain to be a decision maker.
     
  17. HillBoy

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    Maybe, but if Francis is "the Man", then here comes ANOTHER year out of the playoffs because "The Man" has yet to deliver.
     
  18. HillBoy

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    Hmmm, you don't suppose it's because these 5 guys can play the POINT GUARD position better than Stevie "Franchise", do you?
     
  19. HillBoy

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    If Francis' attitude is any indication of things to come, no one will have to worry about facing this team in the first round because they won't be there...
     
  20. Rob English

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    :D Hillboy, you're blunt and tell it like it is - with no holding back. Very effectively said.
     

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