Good post. I agree that the only legitimate criticism of Patterson is his rebounding. I do not agree that it is overplayed. It IS his glaring weakness and as a PF, it's not a good thing. BUT, I've been saying this many times. Rebounding is NOT what the Rockets is lacking. So we don't need a great rebounding PF. What we need is a guy who can knock down the open shot, all the way out to the 3pt line to open up the lane for Howard, Harden, and Lin. And we need a guy who can defend the PnR and can defend quicker PFs in the post. Patterson would fit perfectly what we need for a PF. He would fit with Asik as the center even if we didn't have Howard. I don't know why people diss his defense. He is a good PnR defender. He is an excellent position team defender. He is an okay post defender. (For those who say he is poor in the post, I don't know what you watched.) The only time when he's not good at defense was when he was asked to play center guarding a bigger man and being the anchor of the defense, which McHale did quite a bit for some reasons.
Well here is how I respond. Let us start with Synergy. Here is the chart you posted: But here is the chart of his performance with SAC. Tell that stat line doesn't show a horrendous defender! Well something definitely changed there. Wonder what it could be? Oh wait, didn't he have Asik backing him up in Houston. I wonder how often? Oh, he played half of last seasons minutes with Asik holding up his pants. That explains it. Oh and here is the synergy stats for someone everyone agrees needs to focus on defense: My God, Patterson makes him look good on defense. So everyone here agrees PP is not a very good rebounder, and I have shown you that he really is a piss poor defender, and we have seen that PP is decent at mid-range jump shots when the Rockets took a historical low number of them last season, and we have seen that PP does not take many 3 point shots at all. I say don't even shed a tear about him. And I still don't believe the guy can consistently make a three point shot with a hand in his face.
I hardly saw anyone go from above average athleticism and jumping ability to hardly none in one or two seasons because of injury as a young player. He hardly recovered at all in that department. He can shoot all he wants but he could hardly get by anyone.
I honestly do not know. Projection into the future is not something I do. I only depend on the stats. But I will say that Morey, to my knowledge, has never dumped a player that actually improved.
You do not really have to because we'll never know when and if he is going to come back as a Rocket. He is a consummate pro and I hope he retires as a Rocket in our prayers.
He is a mid-range jump shooter. He will never be back. The Rockets took a historically low number of mid-range shots last season. I expect that they will take even less mid-ranged shots next season. Why take the worst shot in basketball?
You think he is the worst? He is better than Jordan Hill, Marcus Morris, Royce White, hard to say but also Chuck and some of the guys. He is average but not the worst. He can still drain some corner threes if that's what you want. If we had Lebron James and Harden, Howard, we'd probably need someone like Patterson for cheap. We could still use him on a Top 3 team. We are not there yet.
I never said he was the worst. I just said that he was an incredibly bad choice for the Rockets. Morey dumped his ass. Need I say more?
Morey dumped Aaron Brooks' ass twice and he came back. Morey never said he was a bad choice. He were going after the best Center and young prospects that was all. Dumping him would get us nothing valuable back but trading him in a package got us Trob and Garcia. How is incredibly bad much better than worst on your spectrum? Average is pretty ok in terms of Role player in my books. Hey I am not his only fan but I give him credit for the work and leadership he has brought to the team. That is never a bad choice for a team.
I am disappointed that people like Larvs8, Easy, jbasket, A_3PO etc. have not shown up to defend their position. Although their positions are pretty much unsupportable at the moment.
Honestly, do you understand that PP is a mid range shooter? The absolutely worst shot in basketball by a significant margin? That McHale and Morey drove the Rockets number of mid-ranged shots down to the lowest total in NBA history? Morey dumped his ass for a reason. That one.
He isn't. He was a dunker his first season, second season he was a jumpshooter and then he turned to a corner 3 shooter with the occasional post up and midrange. You are blind to see that nobody gets dumped because he can shoot midrange jumpers.
Wait post #1122 was serious? That is your argument? I thought you were playing a character like JCDenton or Honey Bear. Please tell me you are joking.
Thank you for showing up. IMHO these are intellectual discussions. And yes my post 1122 is serious. PP is a horrible defender. his dRAPM is bad, his synergy stats are awful.
If you are going to lump me in with the likes of JCDenton you have made a serious mistake. I do not say anything that I cannot back up with readily available statistics. And believe me I do have an understanding of that field. And what I am hearing from you is that you do not have a reply. I took your bad statistical analysis and corrected it. Do not go where you do not have solid ground to stand on. You cannot dispute the facts and my obvious conclusions. Just admit it.
JLin used to shoot a lot of midrange jumpers with the Knicks. Harden shoots midrange and 3s. Parsons shoots some. Marc Gasol is midrange shooter. Pau Gasol and Chris Bosh only shoot midrange. Chris Paul shoots the midrange. LaMarcus Aldridge, an allstar whom we target is a famous midrange shooter. Lebron James is a pretty good midrange shooter.
So, have you ever actually watched him play. Cause I'm not the world's biggest PPat supporter, but he makes his rotations and plays solid defense. He's money on midrange jumpers. Is it a good shot? It is when Patrick Patterson takes it. I don't miss the guy or want him back but he is a pretty solid rotation player.
Sigh, you are horribly misinterpreting these statistics and seem to have a very limited understanding of what defense is. What happened in Sacramento is irrelevant. They are a horribly mismanaged team with terrible coaching, low morale and poor effort due to the losing culture. A defensive scheme is a team based concept. It requires everyone to be doing their part. Bad defenders can be effective in good systems, and good defenders bad in bad systems. It is not about talent it is about fit and the pieces working together. These stats don't even capture the big picture. Defense is 90% effort and making the proper rotations and knowing where to be. Missing rotations and sealing off lanes will not show up at synergy. The best defensive players are the ones who consistently make their rotations, are never out of position, and contest every shot with minimal fouls Elite defenders typically do the above, but have outstanding size/length/quickness to disrupt opposing offenses. Patterson is not an elite defender, but he is a smart player who knows where he needs to be and consistently puts forth the effort to get there. How in the world you can call Patterson a bad defender is frankly incomprehensible to me if you bothered watching the games. This is why I assumed you were playing a character (which I am still not convinced you are not). Asik in any lineup is going to make it a better defensive squad. And it just so happened when Asik was behind Patterson, Pat was exceptionally effective as a pick and roll defender and in isolation. That is called being a good "fit", which is the whole point. No one is claiming that Patterson is a defensive anchor like Asik or Dwight, but as a complementary piece he is a perfect fit for what we are doing here. Your blanket claim of him being a horrible defender is baseless and "he looks bad when Asik isn't there" doesn't matter, because Asik IS here. Not surprisingly, you are completely off base with Dmo as well. Dmo's problem is he doesn't know where to be on the court and is constantly out of position. There is little wrong with his defense when he is in position, as Synergy shows. You seem unable to bridge what is happening on the court and the cause/effect with the stats on paper.
