Really? A situation where an LEO has been arrested and charged very quickly and where another LEO is on trial is the same as the American Revolution?
No not really. Of course the issue of taxation without representation is a far more sever offense to humanity than a group of people experiencing thousands of straws breaking thousands of camels' backs and having no outlet to vent their frustrations or else be deemed as immoral miscreants in a country that that routinely celebrates the act of rioting as a bedrock of this nation's founding.
As someone who has literally been on the front lines of this politicians coming in to encourage more confrontation is irresponsible and unhelpful. It's making this city more of a battlefield than it already is. While it's red meat for supporters it also encourages others to come in because they feel they have to fight the radicals on the other side. As should be obvious since the the summer is that it's making it harder for the cause of reform as as much as people want to see LEO held accountable they also don't like seeing their neighborhoods choking on tear gas and people bloodied from rubber bullets and with stores looted and burned.
The American Revolution wasn't just about taxation without representation but it was also about quartering of British soldiers in American homes, the appointment of judges by the Crown and not by Colonists and several other things. It's these type of misplaced comparisons that make it much harder to make progress. As far as having an outlet to vent both Chauvin and Kim Potter were arrested and charged. Kim Potter was arrested faster than any LEO that I can recall. Accountability is important but trying to get more confrontation actually makes it more difficult to get accountability. It gives more rhetorical ammunition to those who argue that LE has to be tough while giving legal ammunition to argue that the jury is tainted by outside events. When the Judge turned down sequestering the jury because of protests over Daunte Wright that gave Chauvin's lawyers an opening to appeal and likely will be something they bring up in closing arguments.
Is it making it harder? This country seems to respond the most when these things happen. It's easy for us to say that rioting is bad and harmful except when it isn't and is literally praised as a bedrock principle of America's founding. And that is where some of the frustration lies. When white men are grievanced to the point of riots, they are praised as heros of liberty. I was listening to a NPR segment on Myon Burell in Minneapolis. I'm sure you've heard of his story especially how it tied to Amy Klobachar and how she used him as an example of her great work. One of the points against him was that he lied to cops on where he was the day of the shooting that killed that little girl. Many years later he explained why he lied. He gave a story of how when he was a little kid, his sister was attacked by a stranger and his mom called the cops. The cops arrived at his house and immediately detained him and shoved him against a chain linked fence. He was thinking in his head that his own mother called the cops to help them, his family, and yet here he was a kid being shoved against a chained linked fence with his mom screaming that's his son and the cops lashing back to stay out of it. This created a life long distrust of law enforcement for him. To think how often this happened to how.mant black kids in Minneapolis and to pretend that because some cops were arrested is going to erase an entire generation of immense hatred and mistrust for MPD is wishful thinking.
And many of those colonists who rioted and rebeled were wealthy land owners living a more comfortable lifestyle(relative to their era) than these Black folks in these communties. They have been more oppressed by our law enforcement and criminal justice structure than those white land owners who rioted because they were not represented well even though today Black folks aren't represented well due to issues like gerrymandering. Many of these colonists didn't have lifestyles that were hampered by the lack of representation. Their anger was more due to principle than living some harsh life due to the authorarian British monarchy. That isn't the case for these poor black communties. It has created a system of harsh lives, little ownership of equity and mass incarceration.
Not always for the good. Look at how Minneapolis' efforts to "Defund the POlice" ended up being a mess and largely collapsed. In fact the neighborhood that is the most African American and crime ridden largely opposed the efforts. In the meantime the amount of crime in Minneapolis has skyrocketed since the summer. This is a problem when looking at LEO as an occupying force. So far no LEO have come to my house and said that I need to house the National Guard. It's a facile comparison. This is binary thinking. No one is saying that we just ignore what happened to Myron Burrell or any of the others who have suffered wrongly at the hands of the MPD or overzealous prosecutors. You're painting this as though the only who options are we don't have police accountability or we have riots. And yeah I know "No Justice no Peace".. Nice slogans but doesn't really do much for a Somali immigrant who's store has been looted. https://www.fox9.com/news/seward-neighborhood-business-frustrated-with-police-response-to-break-ins There are other options in between. What's most irresponsible though is political leaders who don't represent this district coming in and inflaming things for their own political benefit. That's not welcome no matter if it's Maxine Waters or Ted Cruz.
And of course National Guard in Minneapolis are getting shot at: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021...-shots-fired-at-members-in-north-minneapolis/ I am very critical of LEO response particularly regarding targeting media and arresting medics. MN LEO both local and state haven't been perfect and have used too much force. That said encouraging more confrontation with them is going to give them more justification to use even more force.
Myron Burrell is a microcosm of how law enforcement and prosecutors see the people in these communties. To the community, they see them as an occupying force. You think that abecdote of Myron Burell being shoved against a chain linked fence even though the call for police was his own mother reporting his sister being attacked by a stranger is a one off? No, it happened routinely. The black community doesn't trust the law enforcement there. They see them as an occupying force. They are afraid to call them because they are afraid they will be the ones arrested and brutalized. A occuring force doesn't feel magically different to the victims of said occupying force just because the occupying force shares the same nationality.
The issue here is that you only care about the publicized incidents rather than the day to day interactions that the people in this community experience. I brought up Myron Burrell's anecdote as a child being shoved up a chain linked fence merely because he was the nearest black kid they could lay hands on because it was never "news". It was just a random incident he recalled as a child that created his mistrust and hatred if cops and it's an incident that many black kids faced and is a reason for their mistrust and hatred of the local cops.
If Chauvin is acquitted I agree that peaceful protests should happen in force all around the country...but @J.R. is pretty much the anti @NewRoxFan so I guess he's on a mission to bring "fair and balanced" to the D&D.
"MINNEAPOLIS CANCELS SCHOOL FOR CHAUVIN RIOTS": https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/minneapolis-cancels-school-for-chauvin-riots.php excerpt The Minneapolis Public Schools are shutting down next week in anticipation of a verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial: Minneapolis Public Schools are suspending in-person learning next week as the state awaits a verdict in the murder trial against Derek Chauvin. Why? In anticipation of riots, looting and arson, presumably: “Our community is moving through an extraordinarily challenging time as we react to the killing of former MPS student Daunte Wright by a Brooklyn Center police officer, just as testimony in the trial of former officer Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd concludes and the case goes to the jury,” Ed Graff, the district superintendent, wrote to parents. “We anticipate that a verdict in the Chauvin case could impact in-person learning in Minneapolis Public Schools.” So the schools will be closed Wednesday through Friday next week. What if the jury hasn’t reached verdict by Friday? Presumably they will stay shut down the following week. more at the link
It is not the inability to take a joke, the problem is the jokes are not funny. LOL. Trump whole presidency was a JOKE on America, but it was funny.
Not funny, but it is the truth. Conservatives are a cult and want to surround themselves with like-minded idiots.
Let's see how a brand new show that is hyped by conservative media lasts. Also there is the coalescing effect. Left leaning comedy shows are heavily saturated with a dozen or so popular ones while Gutfeld is literally the only one making the list. Thanks for proving my point. Only one conservative leaning comedy talk show making the list.
One conservative channel, one conservative show. I am sure these numbers are not sustainable, given that it is on a cable network it seems unlikely that it will continue to beat network shows like the Late Show, the Tonight Show, or Kimmel. Tripling the ratings of the Daily Show, which you specifically mentioned, was a nice touch, I thought.
That's exactly my point. We live in a capitalistic society. If there was a market for more, more would exist.
