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Minnesota Riots [may 2020]

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Astrodome, May 28, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    Turley on the arson-tuned-possible-murder case:

    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/...st-felony-murder-case-linked-to-the-protests/

    Could The Lee Case Be The First Felony-Murder Case Linked To The Protests?


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    Two months after a pawn shop was looted and burned in the Minneapolis, a charred body with “thermal injuries” was found in the ruins. Montez Terrill Lee, 25, was videotaped torching the building and later celebrating the arson. The question is whether his case may now be the first felony-murder charge to come out of the protests. If the victim is confirmed as dying as a result of the arson allegedly set by Lee, it could be the first such case with the potential of the death penalty.

    ATF investigators reportedly identified Lee from a video sent by an anonymous source showing a masked man pouring liquid from a metal container throughout the pawn shop. A second video shows Lee standing in front of the burning pawn shop saying “We’re going to burn this place down.”

    Now two months later, police spokesman John Elder told the Star Tribune declared that “The body appears to have suffered thermal injury and we do have somebody charged with setting fire to that place.”

    The question is whether the discovered might lead the Justice Department to bring the first felony-murder charge linked to the protests and rioting.
    more at the link
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    Thermal injuries could be caused by a high fever due to Covid infection.
     
  3. conquistador#11

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    Mentioned that some of the lead organizers for Hong Kong protests were giving tips to U.S protesters and now =
    They're learning.


    I would make just one small adjustment, got to coordinate the color scheme better.
    They also have these umbrellas that you can attach pepper spray to it and go full Penguin. They should use those.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I saw that pawn shop burn and that isn't Federal property so I'm wondering how he can be charged with a federal crime? Arson and murder are state crimes so yes Lee could be charged by MN but sure how the Feds step in..
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    don't know, article says he's charged with Federal felony arson:

     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes I read the whole article and I'm still not clear about how he was charged with Federal arson for the destruction of the non-Federal property.

    I'm not saying Turley is wrong and will defer to his legal knowledge but this is something I'm curious about.

    The most I can figure is that they considered the Pawn Shop to be engaged in interstate commerce.
    "At the federal level, the crime of arson is defined by 18 U.S.C. § 844(i) as damaging or destroying “by means of fire or an explosive, any . . . property used in interstate or foreign commerce or in any activity affecting interstate or foreign commerce.”
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    The Minnesota "Riots" - brought to you by right wing white supremacist terrorists, the Boogaloo bois.

    https://www.startribune.com/charges...precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/


    Charges: Boogaloo Bois fired on Minneapolis police precinct, shouted 'Justice for Floyd'
    Feds say Ivan Harrison Hunter helped burn and loot the Third Precinct building as part of a coordinated attack from the far-right group trying to ignite an American civil war.
     
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  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I guess this is a good a place to put this as any...Chauvin had apparently agreed to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder and serve more than 10 years in prison. It needed federal approval as he would have avoided civil rights violation charges. Barr said no.

    The Killing of George Floyd Tore Minneapolis Apart. Now Comes the Trial. https://nyti.ms/2Oix4pK
     
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  9. El_Conquistador

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    Um, was the entire summer of protests based on a lie? Did a whole bunch of people get straight up lied to and played? See below

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  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Still grasping at straws? This was the determination of the HCMC ME that filed the report you cited:

    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office says that the manner of death is homicide, and listed as the cause of death cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression. Their report also listed other significant conditions, including arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication and recent use of methamphetamine.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    Imagine putting a knee on someone's neck for 5 minutes after they are motionless and not even rendering aid.

    And the protests aand riots from Floyd is just one of many straws that have broken thousands of camels' backs over the past 200+ years and no, police murdering black people isn't the only way they abuse power. Everyday cops randomly search young black men's vehicles with zero probable cause other than "you are driving in a high crime neighborhood". How much dignity can a group of people lose before they push back?
     
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  12. fchowd0311

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    Does this mean if a cop shoots a diabetic, the cause of death would be diabetes? Cops, you got your magical ticket to murder anyone you want as long as they have underlying medical issues.
     
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    Seems completely irrelevant
     
  14. El_Conquistador

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    It's important to consider both sides of the story here. Imagine being a policeman and risking your life for 20 minutes attempting to restrain a combative, 6'6" tall, muscular man who has 8 drugs in his system.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    Imagine placing your knee on someone for 5 minutes of them being completely motionless and just staring at bystanders asking to check his pulse.

    Don't troll with this.

    There isn't both sides here. A 6'6" motionless unconscious man is as threatening as a toddler.

    Stare at a wall for literally 5 minutes. Time it. Imagine placing someone's knee on their neck for 5 entire minutes while they are motionless.
     
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  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Floyd was handcuffed, face down on the ground with 2 other policemen kneeling on him as well. Chauvin's knee was on his neck for 9 minutes.

    Why is this being rehashed? The 1 page of the autopsy you posted was from May of last year. Nothing new.
     
  17. El_Conquistador

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    Obviously his death is a tragedy. My point is this: Don't be surprised when the jury acquits Chauvin because they attribute the death to a drug overdose. It seems clear that drugs played a major role in the death, as did Floyd's resisting arrest for 20 minutes. Also, with such a polarizing issue, I don't know how you find 12 jurors who all agree.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    5 of those 9 minutes he was literally motionless. God knows how much of those 5 minutes he was dead. Strong possiblity that Chauvin had his knee on a dead man's neck for 5 minutes.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    Acquittal will be a bad day for stonks.

    Maybe Target can slip jurors some vouchers.

    Kleptokapitalists unite!!
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    It's not a tragedy. It's a needlessly cruel act by a man who wouldn't let his knee off a man's neck for 9 straight minutes, 5 of which he was most likely dead where bystanders were begging the officers to check his pulse.

    And the medical examiner ruled it a homicide. A pre-existing condition doesn't give a cop a green light to murder someone. It's like saying if someone pushed someone intentionally who has ostiogenisis imperfecta to the ground and they broke their femur and severed their artery and then died as a result isn't responsible for their death because without the ostiogenisis imperfecta, the person wouldn't have broken their femur.
     
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