Its too bad Camby can average near that if he stays healthy next year. If he was durable, you can't deny the Rockets would want him, and want him badly. I'll be willing to make a bet with anyone that Ming won't get 15/10/3.
That's a pretty big "if," NYKRule. You said in another thread that 10, 8 and 2 was ridiculous too. I'd take that bet.
He averaged 10.5 points a game on 63.9 percent shooting and six rebounds in the 2000 Olympics when he was 19. Ming does not get fed the ball like good big men here. Ming scores his points in the flow of the game. If he was fed the ball like Dream was or Shaq is, I think he would have average over 50 points in the CBA. Ming's offense is not in question. Wang has great offense, he just can't get any minutes because he can't stay in front of a guy on defense. The only thing we have to worry about is if Ming will get ran over on defense by people other than Shaq.
First off, Wang's offensive numbers in the CBA are close to that of Mings, but does anyone really question Wang's offensive abilities? He's 7' and he can shoot like a SG, so he's obviously capable of scoring over here. The reasons Wang hasn't done much in the NBA yet are due to his inability to play defense (notice Ming's advantage in shotblocking) and his inability to rebound (notice Ming's large advantage). Wang's projections last year if his minutes had tripled: 32.7 MPG 16.8 PPG 6.0 RPG 0.9 BPG 1.2 APG Here you go, if Wang played a little more than 30 mpg his stats would have projected to over 15 ppg last year and 30 mpg is not a lot. Wangs can shoot the ball and score points, especially with pentrators like NVE, Nash, and Finley. Ming would probably have to get a lot of his points early on like Wang has had to do, on kickbacks from Mobley and Francis. However, as people have mentioned Ming can play inside more and his obviously superior rebounding would get him so garbage points. Now, if we use the ratios from Ming versus Wang in 00-01 in the CBA then we'll see that if Ming is given the same minutes as Wang's projections from last year (32.7 MPG) then his numbers would be as follows: 32.7 MPG 17.8 PPG 8.80 RPG 2.3 BPG 1.7 APG I think every Rockets fans would be happy if Ming gave us those numbers next year in 32.7 minutes of play every night, especially considering the fact that Wang was 2 years older last year than Ming will be next year so we could naturally expect improvement as well.
Exactly. Everyone wants to say Ming will suck because Wang didnt do anything here and he was the 2nd best player in China. 1.) Wang played 10 minutes per game. If he was on almost any other team, he wouldve played more, scored more, and gotten more rebounds. Yes he's not a great defender, but Ming averaged a LOT more rebounds and blocks. 2.) Ming is 3 years younger than Wang. How good is Kobe now than 3 years ago? Of course Im not saying Ming is Kobe, but you can improve a LOT in 3 years, especially at age 21. 3.) if you look at the pictures and read all the posts in this BBS, people have consistently stated that Wang was more of a perimeter player while Ming could play the perimeter and play down low. Go back and look at all those pictures in previous threads. How many of those pictures showed him outside the paint? 0. Ming's game is inside. He can shoot the outside shot but it appears he likes playing like a true C. Yes he may get pushed around his first few years. However, if he's accustomed to being near the basket, some weight training and technique could make him a real presence.
I agree on first glance these stat are a little scary, but I am not sure how meaningfull these stats are. Let's start with the same year and compare: Yao Ming Season G Min FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS 00-01 22 43.9 .665 .799 19.4 2.2 1.59 5.50 4.0 27.1 Wang Zhizhi Season G Min FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS 00-01 20 38.1 .611 .759 12.6 1.8 1.65 1.95 3.8 28.1 Menke Bateer Season G Min FG% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS 00-01 21 45.9 .489 .719 14.1 3.1 1.29 1.10 3.6 24.8 One key thing to remember is that year Ming was 20 , Zhizhi was 23 and Bateer 25. Those are major differences in age when even 1 or 2 years means a ton (compare what MD or Wilcox or Bordchart did 1-2 seasons ago). IMO you can use the above stats to judge Ming only slightly more than you could use HS stats to judge Brown, Curry and Chandler last year--in other words very little. Just as nobody relied primarily on HS stats to determine those HSlrs draft position (rely more on physical measurements, individual skill evaluations, developmental projections)--the CBA stats for a 18-20 year old Ming are not particularly informative. Also of note, Ming is younger than Butler, Grizzard & Ely, and within a month either way of the same age as other blue chippers like Dunleavy, Bordchardt, Haislip & Rush. I would say with the possibly exception of Butler and Ely there is a reasonably expectation all these guys (including Ming) will get significantly stronger and better each year. Likewise, IMO Ming is as ready for the NBA (they all have work to do but some are farther along) of the elite draft talents as anyone other than JW, Gooden and Butler. If I had to guess his numbers for next year if healthy, I would guess-estimate the following: 14 PPG 8.5 RPG 2.5 BPG 1.5 APG Now the 15/10/3--that is optimistic, but I like his chances to get at least 1 of those benchmarks (in points, rebounds, or blocks). He could also do significantly better than that. Remember Gasol got almost 18/9/2 in his first year, I don't see Ming scoring that much because his team already has much better scoeres than the Grizzlies have, but Ming is quite a bit taller and stronger than Gasol so you figure the 9 & 2 are very reachable.
NYK: I believe the common currency here is user names. And to set the record straight, I'm not actually confident he WILL post those numbers his rookie year even though I think he'll do much better than 10/8/2 in the years to come. I'd still make the bet though, just out of spite towards all you guys who will find any reason at all to say Ming sucks, against all the experts' opinions. We don't know what kind of minutes he'll get and we don't know how far from the basket he'll play, so the boards and blocks are a question mark, but these stats are imminently attainable and anything but 'asanine.' So I'll take the bet if you want it.
i think what is more important is stats of wang zhi zhi, menke bateer and yao min when they played each other. because if i played center in a league of 10 year olds and say one shaquille o'neal, i might only trail shaq by a couple of points in the ppg department. and i think one poster who saw a game between wang and yao said yao ming outplayed wang.
I second what fba34 said. Shaq will get 75pts/game in a league of 10years old coz he will only get the damn ball so many times a game. But wait...I might get 65pts/game in that league too...
The way I look at it is this: 1. If the Shanghai Sharks came over here, including all the NBA rejects and American journeymen that play over there, they would beat most if not all High School teams in the U.S. 2. If an American High School athlete was 7' 5" tall, with the kind of numbers Yao is putting up, he would be the unquestioned #1 pick. 3. That same American High School athlete, much like Kobe and KG when they came into the league, would not be expected to start dominating until maybe their 3rd or 4th year in the league. I don't expect Yao to come in and dominate off the bat. But he will make a big contribution, especially on the defensive end. However, we will see "flashes" of his potential occasionally during his first two years in the league (just as we did with Kobe and KG) as he is developing. Once he gets over the learning curve, LOOK OUT (just like KG and Kobe).
