just out of curiosity... why didn't you make that clear in your first post? wouldn't it have made much more sense if you clarified that you meant 1/2 court sets in the high post? that said, if you're talking high post, why is his ball handling an issue? imo, you meant point center. you meant full court. and once you saw how truly ridiculous that idea was, then read JuanValdez' post, you flipped the script and turned into a dandelion...just gooooing wiiiith the breeeeeze. invertebrate. just my opinion.
Make Griffin a point power forward. Make Rice a point small forward. Make Mobley a point shooting guard. Make everyone a point-something and takes turn to bring the ball up. I am sure that would confuse our opponents...
Actually, 1/2 court point center who initiates and decides the plays is exactly how I took it. To understand it as a full court point guardlike position is ridiculous, and I threw it out out of respect, both for the poster and for myself. Sometimes it is absurd how much people have to spell things out for others.
call me cynical if you must, but in this forum, i have learned never to underestimate the ludicrous nature of others. you've been here since 2000. i'm not sure how you haven't reached that point. i mean good lord: vince to the rockets? duncan to the rockets? trade ming for lamar odom? "the rockets will never win with mobley as a starter" "we have too many scorers" "moochie is a good nba point guard" come on. i think my skepticism is more than justified. to the thread originator...if i'm wrong, you have my apologies. if not, you have my preceding post. to Gypsy, stay in lurk mode.
that quote right there sounds as is he's talking about two separate issues. i mean, why would he be outside the paint if they WEREN'T using inverted post-ups? that should tell you he probably meant as a true point center. i guess he could mean using ming as an entry passer...but "out of respect" i don't want to assume that. that would be a pretty stupid idea. so "out of respect" i through that possibility out of the window.
Thats how I took it too. Y'all are way to harsh. Just because there is no news (well other than the standard NBA off season police blotter stuf) and no new topics is no reason to bash poor shooter so much. He is just trying to throw something out there for us. Ignore it if you dont like it. Oh wait, here I am ignoring my own advice again. Some day we will have games again. All just be patient.
Didn't the spurs run this sort of "point center" offense a few years back in D-Rob's prime, where he would stand at the top of the key and look for the cutter- or is my memory just piss-poor? Is this what you're trying to insinuate, Shooter? ~Radical subjectivity~
There's 2 ways to deal with idiocy, whether it's perceived or real--I agree that there are many undeniably stupid ideas and posts, and they come up for all sorts of reasons-- - the first way is to bash it and the poster - the second way is to respond, if there's an opportunity, as if the post were reasonable. In this case, you would run with the only viable idea a 'point-center' could be interpreted and utilized. If you want to bash, that's a reflection on your choice of how you want to take the thread. There was a productive idea in this one to be developed, but bashing doesn't do that.
Why are you belaboring this point? I can understand wanting to show you're right. But, it is possible in this thread to have an intelligent if completely hypothetical conversation about how Yao Ming would best be used in the offense. The only reason we can't is because it is littered with childish insults and thoughtless dismissals. If shooter wasn't clear on the issue, why don't you be clear on the issue? Talk about Yao Ming not Shooter -- that's what makes the offseason conversation piss-poor in the first place.
Right, let's be constructive about this. 7'5" guy dribbling: bad. 7'5" guy touching the ball: good. 7'5" guy looking over people's heads for the open man: good. That's more the role of a triangular pivot than a point. And depending on how close Yao is to the basket, it means we're back to the days of the entry pass, when we complained about boredom and went to the playoffs every year. I'll take that.
I'm all for a foul line Ming, setting picks, guys slashing past him, or ming looking over the defense for open teammates. That mixed in with a low post presence is what I expect.
All I can say is this is not a topic that even worth thinking about ...man can we tell everyone is running on empty LET THE SEASON BEGIN .........
sorry for belaboring the point, JuanValdez. i just wanted to show Gypsy where i got that impression. nevertheless: regarding ming and being the focal point of the halfcourt offense, i believe it is absolutely essential to our longterm success as a team. no team that runs their offense through a turnover prone point guard and a slightly undersized 2 guard is going to go far in the playoffs. especially in the west. we have to take full advantage of the mismatches we have on the court - beginning with the biggest mismatch of all: yao on offense against, well, anybody (including shaq). yao absolutely REQUIRES a double team. there is no other player on our roster that can make that statement. he also is our lone post scoring threat. we all know that the easiest way to win is to go inside/out, so it is elementary to go to yao first. the cherry on top is that yao is an exellent passer...quite possibly the bast passer on the team as well. IS THERE ANY OTHER REASONABLE 1/2 COURT OPTION? at some point, i believe griff will develop into an allstar player. i think he is the real deal. but i have seen nothing...i mean NOTHING that leads me to believe he can pass gas, much less basketball. if ming didn't exist, i'd say run the O through griff and teach him to pass (ala hakeem "the green" olajuwon). but since yao ming does exist...sorry charlie. there's bigger fish to fry.
Yao would have so many turnovers that Rudy T would go crazy. When you have a good pg why not use him instead of coming up with crazy ideas.
I'm not sure what a "Point Center" is. Do you mean that he passes out of the high post? Like Hakeem? I don't think Yao will be able to put the ball on the floor without turning it over. Even a skilled center like Hakeem only dribble on the parameter and rarely at that. Yao will open more up by being in motion and being able to post up low not high. But he has to move around a lot and not post low on every play. The reason for this is that it will prevent double teaming of the guard on the strong side. You won't be able to double team Francis as he can get the ball quckly to Yao, and if he is any kind of post player, there's a lot of options from that point. I think Yao may help Francis's numbers this year...as it will create more opportunities for him to break down defenses. It will also make Houston a better offensive rebounding team if Yao plays the low-post versus high.
Not defending this post or anything, but doesn't anyone remember Walton bringing the ball upcourt during the Blazers championship run?
I remember Ralph bringing the ball the length of the court, looking like a praying mantis on steroids, and generally having everyone going... "My god, he's doing it again! I can't look! What in the HELL does he think he is, a point guard???". And sometimes he did. Think he was a point guard. Or a guard, at any rate. It was a frightening to watch, and yet uplifting in a way. (uplifting as in "Arrgh! That damn hotdog is comin' back up!")
Wilt Chamberlain led the League in assists one year; so it is possible to be a "point center". He (Wilt) led the NBA in scoring seven straight seasons, 1960-66, and led the league in rebounding 11 of his 14 seasons. He averaged 30.1 points a game in his career, and pushed that to a record 50.4 in 1961-62. He even led the league in assists with 702 in 1967-68. Wilt's career stats
