The difference in 5pts and 3 rebs is Brand has never been to the playoffs and Duncan has a ring. On any other forum Ming/Griffin for Duncan would be considered a crazy move for the SPURS.
No...It's only for Rockets Discussion. Ming+Griffin isn't an amazing offer for the best big man east of Shaq, but I think that if the Spurs were pressed to make a deal, they would definitely take this one, but they are probably the losers. Duncan is a very rare player. Griffin or Ming could develop into one of those guys, but it's unlikely. The sure thing is always the #1 option(Just ask the Clippers/Bulls).
This is a bad trade, but not a ridiculous one. 1) Duncan is arguably one of the top 5 players in the game. Griffin and Yao have the POTENTIAL to become great players, but they are not there yet. Also, the Spurs probably still feel that they can win an NBA championship; if they got rid of Duncan, I don't see how they could get by the Lakers because realistically Eddie and Yao are not ready to hold their own with Shaq - that MAY come in due time. 2) The Rockets are still rebuilding with an eye to the playoffs this season. While Duncan is tempting, it is better in the long run for the team, IMO, to keep both Eddie and Yao. Maybe one of them becomes a bust or even both, but I would sure hate to see the Rockets give up on either one of them so soon. 3) Finally, kidrock8 is sorta right (can't believe I'm saying this). Although his tone leaves a lot to be desired, I don't see the Spurs making an impact deal with a bitter rival like the Rockets. But I will say never say never, but the odds are slim in that happening.
I rather think that all these posts have been fruitless. An imposible situation , with an imposible conclusion!
Stupitidy Rains here in this BBS Not a snow Balls chance in H--L would the Rockets even think of such stupitdy Man you people need to get a life to be talking all these what ifs Or at least come up with something smart not trade away the future for a player that doesnt want to be here and has no connection to the team what so ever
I agee with your opinion and I am definitely against trading away Ming and Griffin for whoever (may be the only exception is Shaq). But please give a little respect to your fellow posters...
Assuming Duncan was available, and all you had to give up was 2 promising but unproven players like Ming and Griffin, you do it in a heartbeat. Only a homer would say no to that deal.
Kind of like that Vlade-Kobe trade right. Granted Divac isn't Duncan, but if you read the others' threads, you see why we should keep the two.
Yeah, but it was only Kobe,A potential superstar. We are trading two potential superstars, not one. I assume this makes up for the Vlade/Duncan difference. Not to mention what the others said about us rebuilding a little bit, and things like that. I could also mention the Brand and Chandler trade, but I'll give Chandler a few years to make up for it.
The Spurs are stuck in mediocrity with Tim Duncan. They are not good enough to win it all without another impact player, and they are not bad enough to get an impact player through lottery draft. What's worse is that they have no talent to trade for and no cap space to nail an impact player. Maybe they'll have some cap space once Robinson retires, but with Duncan already making the max the cap space wouldn't be adequate to outright sign an impact player IMO. So what the Spurs do? keep waiting and bank on Duncan would remain a Spur next year with no bright outlook for the team? The Spurs will be smart to use Duncan as their last blue chip for rebuilding. Trading Duncan for two or three solid players or one star player plus scrubs make no sense for rebuilding, the only way they're gonna do it is through getting young and good prospects. It makes sense for the Spurs to trade Duncan for high draft picks or fresh prospects, and you won't find better prospect combo than Yao and Griffin in the L. Yao and Griffin are taylor made defensively and offensively. We already know about their defense potential. Offensively Griffin and Yao has proven outside touch, tell me what can you do facing a 7-5 center shooting jumpers all over the court and another 6-10 athletic marksman lurking around the perimeter? Yao and Griffin will be unstoppable should they get that high PNR down. It takes luck for the Spurs to acquire the first pick, it's not a lock for them to get through those paint balls, even if the do, what's the fat chance of getting another Yao at the No.1 pick again? The answer is never. Nada, zil, none. Yao is someone that comes only in a lifetime. A Yao and Griffin trade means the Spurs are to be able to finish years long rebuilding process in a heartbeat, with another deadly shooting, defensively thrilling Twin Towers for them to fiddle with. With Yao and Griffin developing, the Spurs can afford to tank for a year or two, get some high lottery draft picks and make themselves even better. On the other hand, the Rockets may get Duncan, be a contender and end up getting their butts kicked by the Lakers and the Kings, which is very likely from the matchups I explored above. Futhermore, it'd be a nightmare for the Rockets if one day Yao gives Duncan fits and our guards hand out a block party to Griffin trying to drive into the teeth of defense. That's why the Spurs GM would take a hard look at this trade offer, and I won't be surprised to find out that the Spurs has already proposed Duncan for Yao and Griffin. We are already on the way to be a contender if we just keep our core players together for a couple of years. The trade will only make it come earlier, while helping our rival to have a chance for revival and becomes our haunting nightmare later on. So the last time I say, hell no.
Let's not get carried away with throwing around the word "superstar" around lightly. Duncan and Shaq are in a class of players like Jordon, Hakeem, DRob, Magic, and Bird in their prime. IMO, Ming and Griffin may be great but I don't think anyone expects them ever to be anywhere near Duncan's level of play. At least you guy's are debating why you would not take Duncan for Ming and Griffin. If you went to the Spur's forum and asked if they would give up Tim for Ming and Griffin, they would almost literally laugh their collective asses off.
A lot of people, especially the younger ones, have potential to be superstars. They have the skills, but only the hard work and desire could get them there. Ming and Griffin have the skills, now if they could get the other two, superstardom is not far away. I would also consider a superstar to be not quite that big. A star would be Steve Francis, while a superstar may be Kidd.(best at position.) edit: I'd say the names you listed would be MVP material. I could also name Carter,(although mainly by dunking.) T-Mac, AI, Kobe, KG, and probably Paul Pierce are superstars, just to name the ones off the top of my head.
This is what a Spurs fan said in a thread, Spurs Headed for Disaster, on realgm.com Spurs forum. Some Spurs fans regard Claxton(a backup pg), Ginobili(a second rounder) and Parker(10ppg and 4 apg) as their core players. They are so high on Parker that they won't trade him for a MVP caliber player Jason Kid. ROFLMAO.
What a bunch of Homers! Next thing you know some stupid Rockets fan will think the combined value of Griffin & Yao Ming is greater than Tim Duncan's! That would be the ultimate homerism!
Oh, don't compare our homerism with that of the Spurs fans 'cuz it's really insulting. We are not nearly half pathetic as they are. At least we have Yao and Griffin, and they've got their "core players" to live by. Hehe.
