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[Military State] Ferguson, MO

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by percicles, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. Rocket River

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    . . . . basically he might be treated like he was black . . ..

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  2. Liberon

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    Here are my thoughts on the matter. Ferguson like many hubs of the midwest/south are a community that is mixed. White or Black most of these citizens native to these towns will find relatives both white and black. As a non-black and non-white person I see the situation as a big family squabble not to intervene with unless asked to. With that said if you are not a local to these types of regions whether you are white or black or whatever it's probably not a good idea as a non-local to really present yourself to any danger. Just my 2 cents.
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    Yeah, so anyway, I dont' remember that because I didn't watch it, either then, or now, or even read about it.

    I can see it's a seminal event though, in your particular cosmology.
     
  5. treeman

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    You are what I call a racialist - not to be confused with a racist, but it's not too far off. You see everything - EVERYTHING - through a prism of race. You fail to understand that most people don't see things the same way, but to compensate you shove concepts like white guilt through the mainstream in an attempt to make your own racism acceptable to the masses.

    It sickens me. I am the opposite type - I couldn't care less what race a person is - they will be judged by their actions by me, not by their race.

    People like yourself perpetuate the hatred we see in Ferguson. You agitate where there is no reason to. You pretend that there is a racial component to everything, and it makes it impossible to have a real conversation because of it.

    But hey... all these years, and you never made it on my ignore list. You must be doing something right.
     
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  6. Rocket River

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    You prefer OATMEAL - everyone is the same
    I prefer SOUP - everyone this different and it is better for the mixture
    *shrug*

    I find the ideal of ignoring differences repugnant
    I prefer tolerance and embracing them.

    I will never 'check my culture and differences' at the door to join your crew

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  7. bigtexxx

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    I call them the race pity party crew. Just b****in to b!tch so maybe they can get something out of it.

    Ultimately it is very destructive behavior.
     
  8. Major

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    In theory, this all makes sense - but the problem is that the reality is that every person experiences the world in a different way. The racism that "Black America" experiences is real, and there is plenty of statistical and research evidence out there to back it up - whether it be in education or jobs or in the justice system or wherever else.

    So a person who has experienced a lifetime of subtle racism is going to naturally view the world through a prism where, if something bad happens, race is a potential real and, maybe likely, factor - even when it may not be. That's the logical result of their life experience. But at the same time, it's easy for those of us who haven't lived that life to automatically dismiss racism as a potential cause when it might actually be a factor - because that is the prism of our life experience. Everyone is going to be biased through the experiences we personally have had in life.

    It's easy to say how it "should" be, but sometimes that's a result of getting to live in a different reality than others. That's why much of minority-America dismisses white-America as not understanding their experience, and why much of white-America thinks minority-America is always race-baiting. It's two sides seeing the world through an entirely different lens.
     
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  9. T.Mcgrady

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    11 times. Audio has been released of 11 shots being fired. No incident report was filed about an incident necessitating 11 shots. Not from just Wilson, but from all personnel
    on the scene.

    Not only that but there's a brief pause between the first 7 and the last 4 shots. Not long enough for brown to charge him.

    This cop is dirty. The department is dirty. We will see what happens when this goes to trial.
     
  10. Anas acuta

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    I guarantee you an offense report has been done.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Well he only hit him at max 6 times, so maybe the pause was him aiming better. Also, we know that only the final 2 shots were even potentially fatal, so there's a chance it could have taken that many shots to eliminate the threat.

    The audio is like all of the rest of the evidence up to this point, inconclusive. It could support numerous theories as to what happened.
     
  12. T.Mcgrady

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    They have already completed the incident report, but will not make the majority of it public according to your own source...

    "Schellman told TIME that the department does not intend to release the “investigative” component of the incident report, the part that details Wilson’s version of events."
     
  14. T.Mcgrady

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    I'm sorry, I should have been more specific.

    "Wilson never filed a report on the incident, according to the office of the St. Louis County prosecutor."

    The "investigative" portion of the incident report not released was St. Louis County PD's independent investigative finding after the case was turned over.

    Again, no incident report was filed by Wilson himself and the Ferguson PD.
     
  15. FV Santiago

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    Could that be because Offer Wilson just had his face beat in by an aggressive 6'4" 290lb, drugged up robber? Tough to file a report from the hospital.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    that was a lie

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    . . . ain't seen one picture of this . . . . .
     
  17. T.Mcgrady

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    The blowout fracture was fabricated. Wilson is fine and currently in a safe house (which is understandable).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n95mxT1AkpI

    Not only did he not file an incident report then.... he STILL has refused to file one weeks later. Doesn't sound like the action of an innocent man who has nothing to hide.

    There is so much misinformation in this thread, on both sides of this issue. The only thing that's immediately apparent is that this man is hiding something.
     
  18. Nook

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    An incident report was done by the FPD, although it is not uncommon for it to take weeks before the a report is complete. As I have been a plaintiff's attorney that has done personal injury work, I can tell you that it takes longer than a standard report when it involves a death, especially by an officer.

    Also not shocking that Wilson hasn't said anything. The FPD and his personal attorney both most likely have advised him not to.

    We know that the officer went to the ER and had facial x-rays taken. That means at a minimum that the officer directly after the accident claims that he was hit in the face. However, we do not know how severe the lacerations were other than nothing was broken or fractured.

    We don't know honestly. The ER records will document any abrasions, bruising, etc.

    I am not shocked that photographs have not been released (assuming they exist), as Wilson has said nothing since the event.


    On a serious side note, I recently read that there are twice as many warrants as citizens in Ferguson. The whole area and situation is one of dispair. The area has been hit hard economically, it is segregated (mostly along financial lines, which usualy means racial as well), the police force is overwhelmingly white, you have generational poverty, you have a lot of young people making poor decisions and what is never discussed is that although the economic down turn the last 10 years has hit the middle and lower classes hard, it has REALLY hit the African American community hardest.
     
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    probably not, since the rumors about that being the case were later denied. We don't know what, if any actual injuries he had.
     
  20. Nook

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    :rolleyes:

    Did the FPD or Wilson ever claim there was a blowout fracture?

    He apparently was taken to the ER, in which case we will know whether there is any physical injury, and if there is, that substantiates a physical altercation between Brown and Wilson.

    So we are back at square one.

    Again, it is not unusual for Wilson to not file an investigation report, especially when the FPD and Federal Government are investigating. Regardless of whether Wilson is guilty or not, he does not want to risk a long prison term and I am sure his legal counsel has told him NOT to file an incident report.

    It has nothing to do with being innocent or guilty, you are reading too much into it.

    Is Wilson guilty of excessive force and murder? I don't really know yet. I need to see and hear more.

    What I DO know is that it is time for changes to the way police are trained. They are NOT soldiers and should not act as though they are. I also think that there needs to be a larger emphasis on having officers that reflect the demographics of the communities they serve. Do I think that PD's are purposely avoiding minorities? No, I don't think so, but I do think that more efforts should be made to recruit qualified locals.
     

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