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MILITARY RECRUITMENT - 9/7 JOB FAIR IN THE ASTRODOME

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by No Worries, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. thacabbage

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    Key word, professionals. 9-5. If you're working a minimum wage job at Subway, there are many nights when both of you are working at night. And you're not sitting behind a desk at a computer screen either, you're on your feet. Who's watching the kids then? You're dead tired when you get home so who's going to help the kids with homework? They probably aren't even very educated themselves in the first place so how would they help the kids? Poverty is a vicious cycle which effects generations.

    Daddy's a doctor right but you claim you're a self made man. I don't know about your individual life story so I won't attack you, but let's take any other person in your shoes. Even if they don't inherit their current fortune from Dad, it is ridiculous to claim that their childhood opulence and comfort wasn't a direct cause of their current situation. If Daddy's a doctor, you're probably getting regular doctor visits as a child. You live in a good neighborhood so you don't have to worry about gangs. Say you get a job after school - if Daddy's a doctor you can spend that pocket money at the mall or at the movies. Underprivileged kids need that money to put food on the table or help pay for mom's medical bills. How about college? Surely, a well off child has their dad pay for undergraduate studies. If you're poor, you're working your way through college. Not that much time to study now huh?

    I just had a pretty major surgery but I have health insurance and I can afford to miss time. What happens if you're not that fortunate? You continue on sick and it affects you daily. Poverty has a tricke down effect that affects every aspect of a person's life.

    This further goes to show how out of touch with reality the conservative model of poverty is. Things don't work that way. We all have bad breaks in life, but if you're poor, it's not as easy to compensate. "Drugs, alcohol, and buying rims" is not the reason some people can't get out of poverty.
     
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  2. Rockets2K

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    nice assumption.

    related to this statement, I woul dagree with pgabs that you dont have a clue what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck(ie..be poor)

    I have a house....I have insurance(homeowners, vehicle, and special flood insurance since I live in a flood plain...thanks FEMA :mad: )

    one thing I DONT have...is savings....I cant afford it...Im paying far too much for my house and insurance...btw, your numbers are WAYOFF..my mortage and taxes cost me almost 800 a month for the house alone...you dont want to know how much my utilities are...lets just say its damn near the same amount as my mortage.

    alot of jobs dont allow you to work more than 40 hours a week...they dont want to pay OT(like mine)....btw...I dont have fnacy rims, stereos or do drugs...I have 2 kids under my roof...one of which needs almost constant supervision and help with her homework...thank god we both are home by 5 on most days...

    basically...the responses to you on this page alone are far more accurate than your own ideas about the lower middle class...much less what the truely poor go thru...you just dont have a clue.




    btw...when in the hell did a blogger have any sort of credibility? they arent media...no wonder they were turned away...they aint press in the majority of cases...they are just normal folks like you and I...if they post something...it certainly should be taken with A MASSIVE grain of salt.
     
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  3. NewYorker

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    I guess you really have a chip on your shoulder. So who is in the astrodome recruiting for these "other" jobs?
     
  4. NewYorker

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    Now I understand, you're one of those my way or get the f*** out people.
     
  5. pippendagimp

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    alas, it's infallibly the same from country to country....the petty bourgeois are always the most ignorant and oblivious :D
     
  6. Sishir Chang

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    Delete Double Post
     
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    What I find extremely galling about your posts is that you're doing the exact same thing to the people in the Astrodome.

    You've just making insuinuations regarding the nature of the people that are there based upon your own ideological assumptions about their environment and background. Do you know for a fact that most of the people there are shiftless just a step above vagrants who've been corrupted by living in seedy New Orleans or are you just making a guess based upon your own assumptions of what YOU you think they should've done?

    I agree with the other posters that you don't understand why people are in poverty but more than that you have no understanding of the nature of major disaster. In a disaster of this scope that wipes out your home, most of your possessions, your workplace your bank what do you expect of people? Given that they were only given a day to evacuate how do you expect most people to prepare especially people who most of your their friends and family are in New Orleans. Or is it part of your self-reliance theory that people also need to develop friends and relations around the country they can go to in a crisis? Seriously if you were given a day or even a week to evacuate yourself and your family along with the rest of Houston do you think you would be able to get most of your possessions out? Do you think you would be able to withdraw most of your money while people were making runs on the banks in panic? Most of all as someone in real estate how quickly are you going to be able to liquidate your assets when the city is about to be underwater?

    There's another thing here to which frankly you just might not get. This isn't about whether people should work hard and become self sufficient. I'm with you there and I'm with you that people in general shouldn't rely on the government. But this is a disaster of Biblical proportions and if the government isn't going to help people recover from a disaster of this scale then there's no reason for the government!

    You make it sound like its these peoples fault they're in this situation. Frankly your arrogant presumption that they've now living as refugees in the Astrodome because they didn't prepare better or were nothing better than lazy indigent vagrants first off is ignorant (I heard interviews on the radio at the job fair today with someone who owned his own janitorial business with a few employees and someone who was an electrician and also if they were so lazy and looking for a dole why would so many line up at the job fair to begin with) but also insulting and demeaning to people who've come through a disaster that we can't even conceive of.

    Its blaming the victim.
     
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  8. DBrunk01

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    Not gonna post too much, and I hardly ever post at all.

    But let me say, my views on most things lean conservative - please don't lump this guy in with a stereotype of "conservative thinking".

    Thank you. ;)

    [lurking]
     
  9. No Worries

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    CNN disagrees.

    Judge supports CNN request to cover Katrina's toll
    Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 1:33 a.m. EDT (05:33 GMT)
    HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- At the request of CNN, a federal judge in Texas Friday night blocked emergency officials in New Orleans from preventing the media from covering the recovery of bodies from Hurricane Katrina.

    Attorneys for the network argued that the ban was an unconstitutional prior restraint on news gathering.

    U.S. District Judge Keith Ellison issued a temporary restraining order against a "zero access" policy announced earlier Friday by Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who is overseeing the federal relief effort in the city, and Terry Ebbert, the city's homeland security director.

    A hearing was scheduled for Saturday morning to determine if the order should be made permanent.

    In explaining the ban, Ebbert said, "we don't think that's proper" to let media view the bodies.

    In an e-mail to CNN staff, CNN News Group President Jim Walton said the network filed the the lawsuit to "prohibit any agency from restricting its ability to fully and fairly cover" the hurricane victim recovery process.

    "As seen most recently from war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, from tsunami-ravaged South Asia and from Hurricane Katrina's landfall along the Gulf," Walton wrote, "CNN has shown that it is capable of balancing vigorous reporting with respect for private concerns."
     

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