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MILITARY RECRUITMENT - 9/7 JOB FAIR IN THE ASTRODOME

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by No Worries, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. No Worries

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    Freedom of the Press is a CONSTITUTIONAL right last time I checked.

    Why not let the media self censor itself? Is it self serving for the FEDERAL government to ban those photos?

    Recall the federal government did NOT censor the video of the planes flying into the Twin Towers. MSM eventually censored itself.
     
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    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Name calling as usual. A wonderful trademark of the Neocons, since we're stereotyping and all.
    So hikes in the minimum wage and labor unions are the cause of unemployement? They're the real reason for the great depression aren't they? Let's blame the workers for wanting more money and better benefits. Thanks for letting me know how govt.'s and economies work, but I'm due back on planet earth.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I am still wondering how Bush is censoring ALL reporting from NOLA. This is an outright lie. Reporting IS occurring from New Orleans.

    Let me ask you this. Do you WANT this seemingly false story concerning the U.S. military recruiting victims via a job fair at the Astrodome to be true so that it reflects poorly on the administration? You sure act like you do considering you posted the original story from a random blogger who had the information forwarded to him. Also, your subsequent comments in which you dismiss a report from KPFT which denied it was happening (although the KPFT story may not have anything to do with rebutting the random blogger's forwarded story)

    My feelings are that if it IS true (which I highly doubt it is as written), it shouldn't be happening and reflects poorly on whoever/whatever authorized it. On the other hand, if various branches of the service simply have a booth set up at a job fair at the Toyota Center, it's no big deal.
     
  4. No Worries

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    The federal government is not writing copy for all of the NOLA stories.

    The federal government is censoring ALL MSM from reporting one aspect of the NOLA story.
     
  5. No Worries

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    Do you WANT this seemingly false story concerning the U.S. military recruiting victims via a job fair at the Astrodome to be true?

    I want the story to be FALSE. I like you expect better behavior from the government.

    I do find the story plausible.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    But that is NOT what the blogger is writing. He writes that:

    "Things are so bad, Bush is now censoring all reporting from NOLA. The First Amendment sank with the city."

    This is blatantly NOT true.

    The blogger seems to be taking the stance that since reportes are barred from the Superdome, they are barred from entering New Orleans. He/She seems to be taking an extremist view.
     
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You find it plausible even though only one random blogger has posted it and he posted something that was forwarded to him? Not a single news outlet or prominent Bush/Iraq war basher or civil rights leader (e.g. Jesse Jackson) has made mention of it and it still passes your sniff test? It is now the day after this supposed job fair was held and there has been no information regarding it?
     
  8. No Worries

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    The full quote is

    "We are in Jefferson Parish, just outside of New Orleans. At the National Guard checkpoint, they are under orders to turn away all media. All of the reporters are turning they're TV trucks around. Things are so bad, Bush is now censoring all reporting from NOLA. The First Amendment sank with the city."

    If the National Guard are turning away media from checkpoints, the above statement is mostly true. It is at best a mild overstatement.
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Again, you are relying on one blogger's posting of the events. Has any credible news agency complained that they are being denied access to the city of New Orleans ? I haven't seen anything.

    I don't consider someone saying ALL reporting is being censored (which the blogger does indeed write) to be a "mild" overstatement considering it is an out and out lie.

    Again, don't you think it would be a MAJOR news story if ALL reporting was being censored and ALL the media was being turned away? Don't you think folks like Michael Moore would be all over that?
     
  10. No Worries

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    To be 100% truthful the blogger would have to change this

    Bush is now censoring all reporting from NOLA.

    to that

    Bush is now censoring some reporting from NOLA.

    From the bloggers' perspective, ALL of the journalists with him (note the WE in his/her quote) are being censored.

    This is the censorship story in the small. The censorship story in the large (where MSM is reporting that the federal government is censoring NOLA photographs/videos) is without a doubt BLATANTLY TRUE.

    I find your parsing of the wording here very Clintonian-esque.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Where is the national outrage among the press that their stories/photos are being censored? Where is the national outrage among the press that they are denied access to the city of New Orleans? There is none. Why is that? Why am I able to read/view reports from New Orelans on a daily basis? Why am I able to see fires burning, folks walking through muck, folks being asked to leave their homes, Guardsmen patrolling the streets, stories about the existence of 25,000 body bags to make sure there are enough, folks drinking in a Bourbon Street bar?

    Aside from perhaps being asked/told not to show pictures of dead bodies and perhaps to stay away from the Superdome (although I saw a report yesterday or Tuesday from the Superdome) what censorship of the media is taking place?
     
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    I remember responding to you when you wrote that your dad was a prominent doctor, that I couldn't believe some of the things you post about poor people given that you have lived a life of privilege. Everyone said I had a chip on my shoulder.

    Well here you are again posting some of the most judgemental and arrogant posts about poor people I have ever seen on this board. Given that you have never had to pull yourself up by the boot straps or have no ****ing clue what its like to be poor makes your posts especially appalling. Do you really believe people who make just above the minimum wage have enough money to weather a disaster like this. How much money do you think someone like that should have saved up. What do you think they should have given up, eating? What if they have $5,000 saved up, where do you think it would get them right now? I mean really, since you know so much about how these people are screwing up their lives leeching off the rest of us, explain in detail how much money these people should have saved up and how they saved it.
     
  13. deepblue

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    Let's see, military recruitment is Insensitive/taking advantage of victims in vulnerable situations. (which we don't know if it really is happening)

    But asking media not to film the image of bodys of victims (some of which their loved ones are stilling searching for) is infringing on freedom of the press.

    WTF?

    The hypocrisy here is just unbelievable. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Deckard

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    From what I've seen of the media coverage of dead bodies in NO and elsewhere, it would take a bloody miracle for anyone to be able to tell who any of them were. The fact that bodies are still floating in the water, or "parked" on a sidewalk for several days, still, is mind blowing. I would consider the media remiss if they weren't covering that story. That aspect of the tragedy has the rest of the world stunned that this could be the United States of America.



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  15. deepblue

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    I am not talking about if the pictures should be shown. I am talking about the hypocrisy some of the posters.

    Gee, we are all about being sensitive to the victims, we don't want to hurt the victims. But when it comes down to bashing bush, its now "what's the big deal of showing the bodys of victims, its freedom of the press".

    If you are all about being sensitive to the victims, shouldn't you be senstive to them in all matters? Not just when it suits your own agenda?
     
  16. No Worries

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    To save some bandwith, I will added your response to our back-and-forth.

    Rephrasing your question:

    Besides the cases of censorship that we know about, what other case are out there?

    My response: I do not know.

    Your response: See. There is not a bit of censorship that I gave a sh*t about; thus, Rove, you go boy.

    My response: Nevermind.
     
  17. No Worries

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    That's America. Love it or leave it.
     
  18. wnes

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    I guess exploitation is a little different from insensitivity.
     
  19. deepblue

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    Uh no, that's you being a hypocrite.
     
  20. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I assume that's directed towards the President.



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