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Militants Overrun Mosul

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jun 10, 2014.

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  1. ima_drummer2k

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    Wanna buy some Iraqi army rifles? Never been fired and only dropped once.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm guessing we might see airstrikes and arms shipments to the Iraqi armies but I highly doubt Obama would send back US troops.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/obama-iraq-turmoil-i-dont-rule-out-anything-n129721

    Obama on Iraq Turmoil: 'I Don't Rule Out Anything'

    President Barack Obama said Thursday "I don't rule out anything" when it comes to an American response to worsening violence in Iraq.

    Speaking to reporters briefly after meeting with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott at the White House, Obama said "my national security team is looking at all the options" available in stemming an advance by Islamic extremists in the north and west of the country.

    “This is an area we’ve been watching with a lot of concern, not just over the last days but the last several months," Obama said, adding his administration has "been in close consultation with the Iraqi government to try to address problems they have.

    “What we’ve seen indicates Iraq’s going to need more help, from us and from the international community.”

    Iraq has asked the U.S. for air assistance in tempering the militant uprising, U.S. officials confirmed to NBC News on Wednesday.

    The president said Thursday "I don’t rule out anything, because we do have a stake in making sure these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in Iraq or Syria."

    He added that regardless of American or international intervention in the chaos, the responsibility is on Iraqis to work together despite factional divides.

    "The politics of Shi'a and Sunni inside of Iraq, as well as the Kurds, either are going to be a help or a hindrance. I haven’t seen kind of trust develop inside of Iraq” required to help.

    "This should be a wake-up call to the Iraqi government that there has to be a political component to this .. and that requires concessions on part of Shi'a and Sunni we haven’t seen so far.”
    — Patrick Garrity
    First published June 12th 2014, 12:05 pm
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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  4. basso

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    Maliki already asked for airstrikes, and Obama said no.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    Let me ask the question again. If the Iraqis aren't willing to fight for their country for themselves why should the US continue to fight it for them? For that matter why should the US fight it for them when most Iraqis don't even want us there?
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    That was before the militants were getting close to Baghdad.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Good point, isolationism always worked before, let's just pull back everyone to the states because there is an ocean between us, nothing bad could happen.
     
  8. gifford1967

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    You are really working hard to avoid answering his question.
     
  9. mtbrays

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    Oh, shut up. You have no ground to stand on while you continue to bang your circa-2003 war drum. You always find a way to peel back the dead horse for more drum skin, though.
     
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    Baghdad! Don't underestimate Baghdad!

    State Dept issue statement of support to the iRaqi people.

    <iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/zOXtWxhlsUg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  11. bingsha10

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    Better to star a war with every country on every continent on earth and then manage them all badly. Nothing bad could happen.
     
  12. glynch

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  13. glynch

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    They try not to think about it at all, but the truth is slowly becoming unavoidable to the vast majority of Americans.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    What truth is that, in your opinion? That the policy of tucking tail and running away is leading to insurgents taking over the country? I would agree that truth is becoming pretty unavoidable.

    Maybe everyone was right, since the US doesn't have the will to properly fight a war anymore, they shouldn't bother at all because they'll just make things worse with a half ass action.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    You do realize that there are about a thousand shades of grey between not wanting to fight for a government whose military won't fight for them and whose people don't want us there and completely isolating the United States from the rest of the world, right?

    I know that it is easier to fight straw men, but perhaps you should engage in a bit more intellectual honesty.
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    We shouldn't have "bothered" with Iraq in the first place. We should have made an all out attempt to do things right in Afghanistan, but Bush made that a moot point and lost both wars in doing so. Blaming Obama for doing the right thing and completing the withdrawal (for which Bush signed the paperwork before he left office) is beyond asinine.
     
  17. mc mark

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    thank god
     
  18. glynch

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    Out of curiosity what would it have taken in your opinion to "properly fight a war in Afghansitan..
     
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    So... I called this a couple of days ago:

    Iran Deploys Quds Forces To Support Iraqi Troops, Helps Retake Most Of Tikrit

    Full Story:

    http://www.ibtimes.com/iran-deploys-quds-forces-support-iraqi-troops-helps-retake-most-tikrit-1599766

    And I will say it again: How freaking messed up is your foreign policy if you are hoping for *Iran* to save the day?!? And it needs to be pointed out: if Iran is successful in blunting the bad guys here (I mean the other bad guys, of course), then you can kiss any US influence in that area goodbye.

    As for arms shipments and the F-16s Iraq has been waiting on, don't hold your breath. Those things take time, and it doesn't look like ISIS/ISIL/AQI are going to sit around and wait for it. Looks like they are bent on moving on Baghdad ASAP.

    This all could have been avoided. All we had to do was negotiate a new SOFA and keep a residual force there. Instead, either the Iranians or ISIS/ISIL/AQI are going to be running the show. Craptastic strategy here.
     

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