Nah, he ran a gambling ring, I doubt he ever plays football again. Hourning and Karis were suspended for a year for just hanging out with gamblers... Vick.....he is the Al Capone of the dog fighting world. I think his NFL career is over....maybe the Hamilton Tigercats will sign him...... DD
This whole "repay your debt to society" thing is not always applicable. There are some people who just have something wrong inside of them that you just can't ignore after they get out of prison. Like child molesters. To me, what Vick did was so sick, so inhuman, that it makes me question whether he can truly be a part of any civil society. People say, "it's not like he killed somebody". You can't justify murder, but it usually happens in the heat of a moment. But what Vick did to those dogs was ongoing and calculated. Sick, sick, sick.
That's fine if it is, I am just saying if some team wants to take a chance on him then he should be allowed the opportunity.
Why? How do you know this whole experience and upcoming events in his life have not or will not change him? Let's see, losing millions of dollars, basically losing a lucrative career, losing millions of fans and supporters, losing all he has worked for and losing his freedom. I'd say that is enough to change a lot of people, even Vick.
i'm with you in principle. but i think the NFL MAY be afraid to touch him given his connections to gambling. gambling is the cardinal sin in pro sports. that he financed an illegal gambling ring isn't a good thing for his cause.
That's the thing, I am not against the NFL banning him for life either. If they feel that is the best thing to do to protect the company's reputation then they have that right and I have no arguments against that but I would feel the same way if they somehow agreed to reinstate him and some team signed him to a contract.
About the whole gambling thing....is questionable. THe gambling in the NFL policy states any gambling that discredits the NFL. It doesn't mean gambling in general....which would mean they couldn't gamble at all...pretty sure it doesn't apply to Vick specifically...if it did...it could be challenged cause he didn't bet on any life NFL games or even any professional sporting events. I'm pretty sure the players can gamble in general at casinos and things of that nature....even they gamble illegally...im pretty sure they way the law is written policy....he can definitely avoid the sentencing of that.
I don't think they have a problem with you gambling over cards at a Vegas casino. I'm thinking operating an illegal gambling ring, the very subject of which involved animal cruelty and was illegal in and of itself, just MIGHT be a variety of gambling the NFL wouldn't be thrilled with.
Pit bulls at Vick's house face deadline By ZINIE CHEN SAMPSON, Associated Press Writer Wed Aug 22, 6:32 PM ET RICHMOND, Va. - More than 50 pit bulls seized from Michael Vick's property face a Thursday deadline to be claimed. If no one comes forward, they could be euthanized. Federal prosecutors filed court documents last month to condemn 53 pit bulls seized in April as part of the investigation into dogfighting on the Vick's property. No one has claimed any of the dogs, which are being held at several unspecified shelters in eastern Virginia, the U.S. Attorney's office said Wednesday. The civil complaint filed by federal prosecutors does not name the Atlanta Falcons quarterback and is separate from the criminal case against him. But it does state the pit bulls were part of the dogfighting operation known as "Bad Newz Kennels," which Vick and three cohorts are accused of operating. Also included in the document are detailed allegations about the nature of the animals' training regimen and the dogfights occurring at Vick's property at 1915 Moonlight Road in Surry County. The government filed three public civil forfeiture notices in a Richmond newspaper to publicize the dogs' confiscation, and the deadline for claims is 30 days after the appearance of the final notice, filed July 24. Federal prosecutors declined to comment Wednesday on the seized dogs. Typically, when confiscated property goes unclaimed, the government asks the court to have the items declared forfeited. In this case, U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson will make the final decision on the dogs' fate. "There's no dispute over who owns the dogs," said Daphna Nachminovitch, a spokeswoman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "Obviously this is not going to be a process where someone steps forward and says, 'This is my dog, can I have her back, please?' " Though Hudson, who also is handling Vick's criminal case, will determine what becomes of the pit bulls, Nachminovitch said that it's likely that they will be euthanized because they're not adoptable as pets. "These dogs are a ticking time bomb," she said. "Rehabilitating fighting dogs is not in the cards. It's widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them." Vick, 27, said through a lawyer this week that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. He is scheduled to enter his plea agreement Monday and could face up to five years in prison. Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. They said Vick provided virtually all the gambling and operating funds for the Bad Newz Kennels enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging. The locations of the shelters holding the dogs haven't been disclosed out of concern that the animals could be stolen, Nachminovitch said. "They are a hot commodity in the world of dogfighting," she said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070822/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_dogs_3
Are you changing your story now because you are realizing that it's not that he just "gambled" or he just "was caught in a bad deal"? So... you're just now going to go with "whatever the NFL decides is fine with me"??? You knew at the beginning that running that operation was wrong from the getgo. He is in further trouble for the mistreatment of the dogs and for the gambling. That goes BEYOND the first charges.
Here's another idiot talking: Stephon Marbury defends Michael Vick, calls dogfighting a sport I must say, I really like the way that in deer hunting, the hunters go out there and throw the animals against the ground and bet on who will win out of two deers ripping each other's heads off ...
What if, the Deer were already fighting, and you and buddy decided to bet? Would it still be wrong? Even though you didn't instigate?
Oy. It's related to THIS thread, and it's not "NBA" related, bladeage... shouldn't it be in this one? I thought so. You're on to something, man. What if you decide to shoot the one that loses, and keep the other one as pet? Ah-haaaa... [shaking finger] ah-haaaa...
Not surprising, NFL has suspended Michael Vick indefinitely without pay. No link, just saw it on ESPN.
