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Mike Vick Indicted

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by MadMax, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. Major

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    Where have you seen all the evidence the feds have? I'd love to see it.
     
  2. pgabriel

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    Just from reading the indictment.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    Dachshunds are tough little bastards. They were bred to crawl down into badger holes and kill badgers.
     
  4. Major

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    The indictment isn't going to detail all the evidence the government has.
     
  5. pgabriel

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    the only other evidence I could possibly see them gathering is a money trail.
     
  6. justtxyank

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    Aren't they charging this as a criminal enterprise charge or whatever that is? They don't have to have video of him doing it to meet their burden of proof.

    He owned the property at which the dog fighting occurred
    He owned a share in the "kennel company" which was a front for the dog fighting circuit
    Witness can place him at multiple fights
    One of his co-defendants has now apparently turned on him to point to him as being the ring leader


    I don't know if our justice system will convict him, because if the defense can stack a jury with enough African Americans they might get him off. Whether or not he gets found guilty or not though, reasonable people can see that he is most likely guilty.
     
  7. MadMax

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    ummm...add testimony to, "we raided your home and found a dog fighting training ground...the home which you bought right after you were drafted...right around the time you applied for and received a dog breeder's license....right around the time you formed an entity called Bad Newz Kennels. oops.

    oh...and the testimony includes that of a witness who was paid $23,000 DIRECTLY BY VICK for his winnings at a dog fight. that part is in the indictment.

    and the feds are supposed to be adding charges this month.

    these are the way organized crime cases are proved up. testimony and the circumstantial evidence supporting it.
     
  8. pgabriel

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    you wonder why I say you have something against vick, you keep referring to organized crime and the rico charges etc. chill out

    and the guy who said he got money from vick, its still just accusations, money or not.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Don't the feds have like a 95% conviction rate?
     
  10. Lil Pun

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    If so, damn!
     
  11. MadMax

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    1. it is organized crime. how is it not? it's a 9-state dog-fighting/gambling ring.

    2. of course it's accusations. this isn't a murder case. there's no DNA evidence. what do you think they would have to prosecute this sort of crime?
     
  12. MadMax

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    yes...they do. it's why most plea out as guilty.
     
  13. pgabriel

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    evidence
     
  14. RIET

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    There is a ton of circumstantial evidence as MadMax outlined above. In addition to the testimony, the dog training compound found at his house, the money trail, etc.

    If every crime required a smoking gun, 90% of people would not get convicted.

    Most people who own dogs consider them to be part of their family and killing dogs, torturing dogs, allowing dogs to be killed is barbaric and cruel.

    By the way, there are many studies that show a direct correlation between kids who abuse animals and propensity to commit violent crimes.
     
  15. MadMax

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    so you're of the opinion that testimony isn't evidence?
     
  16. pgabriel

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    so when mike vick says he didn't give the guy $23K is his testimony gonna be evidence?
     
  17. pgabriel

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    so you're one of the new animal rights activists that have sprouted up with this case.
     
  18. MadMax

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    of course it is!! how is it not?

    and the jury looks at both sides and decides who they believe. and they'll make that decision weighing all the evidence at the time (including the fact he owned the home and an interest in Bad Newz Kennels).
     
  19. RIET

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    And you're one of the It's Ok to kill and torture dogs activists because of this case. Amazing.

    If anyone tried to touch my dog, I would hurt them. And no, that did not arise because Michael Vick was indicted.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    yes, I advocate killing dogs. that's exactly what I've been doing this entire thread.
     

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