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Mike D'Antoni said the guys ran out of gas

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Stormy1234, May 28, 2018.

  1. daywalker02

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    My man, there. Good analysis.
     
  2. HP3

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    They have not done that at all this season. Asking for us to just mix up our scheme like that doesnt work and that would cause more confusion they would take advantage of. We didnt have anyone else to put in. Though....Anderson was prolly the worst choice.
     
  3. HP3

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    Looney does not suck on D and Young can actually contribute on O. Its really not that simple.

    Yea and they got burned alot when they tried those, they didnt have much success when they did that. They only really had success doing their switches.

    He never played Ryno this whole series, he didnt have a choice, he thought Anderson might contribute on O to make up for it which he didnt. We didnt have ANOYNE to work with. Again you cant just whatever.

    And i just want to say alot of their so called shots on offense were just terrible shots, they just had a lot more talent to work with. And saying Dantoni got outcoached is largely untrue imo.
     
  4. J.R.

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    From last year:

    The best D’Antoni teams had the same fundamental flaws: an extremely short rotation and an exposed spine.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/time-harden-embrace-rest-running-gas/story?id=47375178

    When I asked a Rockets executive to explain Harden's performance, the text read: "Just ran out of gas. Very disappointing."

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-need-more-rest-next-season-mike-dantoni-says

    http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...-was-tired-throughout-playoff-series-vs-spurs

    If you watch the San Antonio series, which we've done a million times, each second-half for the first five games, he ran out of steam. I mean he completely ran out of gas.

    And the first game, it went so easily that nobody really noticed that it really didn't matter he didn't play the fourth-quarter.

    And the second game, he ran out of steam toward the end and each game on over that.

    He got tired after the Oklahoma City (series) I think emotionally. I just think he didn't recover.
     
  5. napalm06

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    I can sympathize with him. I'd hate to sit down and answer stupid questions after my team just lost one of the biggest games in franchise history.

    Can't discuss the refs, doesn't help to mention CP3, and you're not going to throw Ariza under the bus.
     
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    lol. I don't understand this post. Are you just trying to create a fight?

    Luc and Anderson were a big part of our depth at the start of the season, but fell out over time.

    We also lost a key player named Chris Paul - a hall of fame point guard. I understand the Warriors lost Iggy but losing Paul was the equivalent of them losing any combination of 2 all-stars.

    I think fans widely understand that our depth going into the playoffs was drastically different than our depth coming out of it.
     
  7. Kim

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    You can't just invite the switch though when Nene and Ryno are in the game. The Warriors did a much better job of pre-switching to cause confusion with the Rockets offense. There were many times that Harden didn't go until there was 6 seconds left on the clock, not because he was lazy on offense, but because it took the entire shot clock to get the right iso switch. So if you're not going to play variations on the PnR defense (which I would argue is possible, and not as hopeless an idea as getting iso'd vs Ryno/Nene), then at least pre switch to make the offense work harder. Cross match on D to confuse their screeners like they did to the Rockets.

    Overall, the Rockets played great D, and the Warriors have better tough shot makers, especially without CP3 playing. MDA rigidity isn't the end-all as to why the Rockets lost, but there are marginal impacts everywhere, and these marginal impacts add up. MDA is flawed, that's all. And there are ways to get around his flaws, and hopefully the Rockets get enough good players to do so.

    Also, Looney sucked so bad on offense the Rockets rarely guarded him. And he sucked so much on D, the Rockets attacked him more than Steph when both were in the game ( I have to look up the iso stats to confirm this).
     
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    To be fair, I feel like this year he actually wanted to play an 8 or 9 man rotation in the playoffs. But Anderson and Moute were just simply unplayable.
     
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    It was not possible Im telling you it was not, They have 4 top 20 players on their team, they were going to exploit that and it would have been much worse. Instead of the cross d I think it would have been better just not play Anderson period, any time they isod with not KD I take that as a good defensive possession. They were not trying to ISO that is not their game, so all of this cross match stuff would have caused greater confusion for us, its not something you try on the fly.

    I really dont see how any other coach does better. Our roster was what it was, it was either shorten the rotation or play guys who were gonna harm us out there.

    Looney did a good a job as any big guarding Harden and that was enough, hell he did waaaaaay better than Bell who was getting torched.
     
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    Chris Paul was brought in to take the load off of Harden, so it's not surprising that if you take away Paul you're basically putting last year's load back on Harden and, yup, he got gassed. I think Harden actually fought harder this year, putting a lot more effort on defense than he's getting credit for despite the Warriors making a point of wearing him out.
     
  11. Kim

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    I agree that they were probably better off not playing Ryno/Nene. I disagree that since they did play those liabilities, other defensive strategies were definitively worse. We just don't know, but damn the points per possession iso'd against Ryno/Nene were super high.
     
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    Ryno/Luc were such huge players for us in the regular season and its a shame that they didn't show up in the post season. For people complaining that our rotation was short, it's because of those 2 not contributing anything. Luc can get a pass in my books for dislocating his shoulder but not Anderson.

    When Ryno was on his game during the regular season, him just being on the floor changed our whole offensive dynamic. The guy didn't even want to shoot the damn ball and that's his only job.
     

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