Umm, this went over my head. Allen and Prince HELPED conley. I don't really think you understand ts%, but when I said .496 wasn't great, I wasn't conceding a point to you. It wasn't great for a TOP 5 player, but it was plenty okay for the players you are comparing him to. Do you know what Marc Gasol's ts% were in the playoffs? How about Stephen Curry, Parker and Duncan? Let me give you a clue, they weren't that great either. Escially Parker who basically made an MVP type playoff run with a 520ish TS%. Go read up on TS% and then come back to me.
I think you're over your head. 0.496 isn't great for a TOP 5 player. 0.496 isn't anywhere near a TOP 5 player. Stephen Curry, the guy you mentioned, had a TS% of 55.8% in the playoffs. Marc Gasol's not a top 5 player, nor top 15 player. You're comparing Tim Duncan, who's already 37? Tim Duncan has a CAREER TS% in the playoffs of 54.7%. CAREER!!! Tony Parker, out of the guys you're comparing to, has a CAREER TS% of 51.6% in the playoffs. Mike Conley's CAREER TS% of 49.8%, effectively the same as he had this post season. If you're way over your head, don't try to make that somebody else's problem.
And on top of that, postseason TS% for the following players Westbrook 51.0% Chris Paul 57.2% Derrick Rose 50.3% Deron Williams 57.8% Steve Nash 58.3% And they all average higher boxscore stats like pts/assists than Mike Conley in the postseason. So, I would dance and shout about Mike Conley once he gets over 50% in TS% and actually averages more per 36min than Jeremy Lin. Career per 36 min averages Conley - 13.7pts, 6.1 assists Lin - 15.6pts, 7.1 assists Career TS% Conley - 53.0% Lin - 53.8% This is not a LOF post. It's just that if you want to consider Conley as a top 5 PG, you gotta at least have a better career so far than a guy that's not even considered a top 15 PG by their own fans. Now I do think Conley last season was definitely better than Lin last season. Hands down. But you're talking about a guy that was starter in his first season (by default thanks to his draft status, Lowry was better) and has played six seasons as a starter vs a guy that has effectively just played his rookie season. Conley was better than people thought he was. He's nowhere near top 5 PG, and wasn't even much better as a PG post the all-star break (when he finally found some long-overdue recognition after the Rudy Gay trade) than Jeremy Lin.
Apples to oranges when comparing a guy who came out at 19 to a guy who played four years in college. Also, some people are probably factoring in defense, which is half the game and it seems you left out of your analysis. How about you just compare this past season which would be more relevant to a CURRENT player rating comparison. Do you want to compare regular seasons? Playoffs? Accolades? I am not saying he is top 5 because most people prefer the flashier PGs. However, he is very near the top 5.
You're making a very very big mistake arguing with what. He likes to be very irrational when it comes to criticism towards Grizzlies. I say back out of this argument before he frustrates you with his logic.
Well, he's the guy comparing Tim Duncan's TS% at 37 to Conley's, which was quite low for a perimeter player at below 50%. I don't know what brings a player along faster? 4 years at Harvard playing Ivy League vs 4 years starting on the NBA. I doubt any college career in the Ivy League (let alone Harvard) brings along anybody for a pro career more so than 1 year starting in the NBA. And the discussion wasn't whether Conley is good or better than Lin. Already said both Conley is good and better than Lin (last season). Even that Conley was underrated before. But Conley's not top 5, and I wouldn't even say near. A very good player to have, but it's hard to believe people can actually elevate his status after that playoff inefficiency. He works better when there is another perimeter threat next to him. If you swap him even for the next tier of PGs in John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving (sorry, he's first tier but hasn't made the playoffs), Rondo, Jrue Holliday, George Hill, Dragic, Lowry, Vasquez, Rubio, Lawson (and heck I'll even put Jeremy Lin in their), into their respective teams, do you really think Conley will improve that team's win total by more than 5 wins? If not, most likely you're not talking about a near top 5 player. And the only reason that near top 5 possibly makes sense is if there's a big group of them.
I thought he gave up on the Grizzlies after they traded Rudy Gay (who is as good as Kevin Durant, or so I've heard). Apparently not.
He's Top 10, but I wouldn't say he's "very near" the Top 5. Rose, Paul, Irving, Westbrook, Parker, Curry, D-Will, maybe Rondo because of his ACL, and maybe John Wall because of his talent would be taken by GM's ahead of Conley.
The only thing you have proven here is that Conley doesn't have top 5 scoring abilities. Just to move this discussion along, let me concede that point so we can move this along and quit belaboring the point. If I were going to rank the top scoring pgs, Conley would NOT be in the top 15 players overall. Lillard Wall Parker Rose Westbrook Holiday Irving Collison d-will Curry Monta Jennings Paul Etc and many others would be ahead of Conley. But out of all of the players on that list there is not one player that can both run a team as efficiently as Mike Conley, or play the kind of defense he does. Rando is probably the closest. So, you have not made your point by comparing Conley's offensive numbers to the field. When Espn rated Conley 32 on there list (and still called that underrated), they are comparing what conley does better than nearly every point guard in the league.
Do you want to back this claim up with some stats? What does "running a team" entail? Pretty vague stuff. He's an okay PG. I don't know if I'd want him over Lin or Beverley though...
Conley >>> Lin RAPM Conley 5.1 Lin .6 WS/48 Conley .172 Lin .99 Per Conley 18.3 Lin 14.9 Projected xRAPM Conley 4.4 Lin .6 Complaining about Conley low TS% in the playoffs is kind of dumb. Even KD's TS% went down 8%. It was still pretty good at 57%, however he is KD one of the best players in NBA. Conley is not that. We can't even compare it to Lin's playoff stats because he played so little and when he played he was terrible. If I could trade Lin for Conley I think I would do it. They even have similar salary cap figures. Do you think Morey would do it? Do you think Hollinger would do it?
Chris Paul, Westbrook, Tony Parker, Steph Curry and Derrick Rose. That is my top 5 right now. And yes I think is CURRENTLY better than all of those on the next tier even though Wall, Irving and Rubio have more long term potential. Now I don't expect most fans of other teams to agree because Conley is not going to put up the 25/12 type performances or take 10 3 point shots in a night. He isn't flashy and he plays in Memphis. If he was in the East he would be an All Star.
Let's face facts: Mike Conley is the second best pg in the league. And the guy ahead of Conley, Chris Paul, I would not trade Conley to get him because I'd rather have Conley at 8 million than Paul at 20 million per year. If conley don't make the all star team this year, it will be a travesty: steph curry ain't better than Conley, Lilliard, Wall, parker. Line'em up. Conley is like a cross between Tony Parker and Rondo.
