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Might not be trading KPJ this off season. Interesting article.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by VoR, May 17, 2023.

  1. daywalker02

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  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Poor kid, he really thinks they care about him. He's an eternally expiring contract which is a wonderful asset and I still can't believe he signed that deal. Basically if he outperforms his contract the only way he can make more money is to play so bad that they don't exercise an option year. So whether he peaks or he underperforms this won't go well for him.

    I have no doubt he can give effort during the honeymoon period of our new coach (2 or 3 months?). It's going to result in a lot of people thinking he's turned the corner. That won't last long imo. He was not ready for Ime-type criticism before last season and then he became a bigger diva. We treated him with kid gloves and didn't assign any accountability. Guess what that does to a person. Does it make them more likely to take criticism well? lol

    Every single young player on the roster lost motivation at some point or another in the season, but none nearly as bad or as long as KPJ. None did it in such a blatantly disrespectful way to the team. He gave himself amazing shots last season and he gave his teammates garbage shots, that's what pissed me off the most. He's a bad teammate on the court. He's the only player on the roster who knew on day 1 of the regular season how to play excellent defense and just flat out chose not to all season. If he were on any other team, we would want to stay away at all costs.

    Too bad, the kid has a lot of talent. People with that TYPE of issue (zero self-motivation ability) don't build anything well in life. They can peak very high, but they can't do things where incremental improvement is necessary. They also perform worse the more they are paid unfortunately. Hopefully he's working with a therapist and psychologist on it because it is possible to change it. Not with motivational quotes from your HC (that's temporary), but with actual medical professionals showing you how you can do it.

    Thank god he signed the worst contract in NBA history. 3 years of team options makes it so that even if he's useless in the rotation, he's a plus asset. I hope he turns it around and ends up a great 6th man for us. I also hope that if we need some more cap space Tilman is not a child about trading KPJ. He's the least important asset on the team, no one would deduct a single projected win from us if we replaced him with a vet minimum PG.
     
  3. ApacheWarrior

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    I stand by that. You get KPj and Green spacing by way
    of 3-point shooting and you will see good size players
    of 6'5" shred defenses apart. As it was Green and KPj
    had 4 guys camped out in the paint because Sengun,
    Tate, Kenyon, Garuba, Nix, TyTy, and low energy Eric
    Gordon were dared to shoot the 3 as they were no
    threat.

    If you watched the playoffs, Brunson was targeted
    defensively play after play. Miami did it better.
    Put KPj with New York with Josh Hart, RJ Barrett,
    Randle, Mitchell Robinson ( for lobs ) and Brunson
    with no spacing Houston and you would see the tables
    turned.
     
  4. VoR

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    I think he sat down with Tillman and said, "You give me this much up front to secure my life and needs and I'll make you want to pick up every option." There are incentives to the contract too. He got $16 million in life changing money. The rest is up to him.
     
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  5. ApacheWarrior

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    I stand by that. You get KPj and Green spacing by way
    of 3-point shooting and you will see good size players
    of 6'5" shred defenses apart. As it was Green and KPj
    had 4 guys camped out in the paint because Sengun,
    Tate, Kenyon, Garuba, Nix, TyTy, and low energy Eric
    Gordon were dared to shoot the 3 as they were no
    threat.

    If you watched the playoffs, Brunson was targeted
    defensively play after play. Miami did it better.
    Put KPj with New York with Josh Hart, RJ Barrett,
    Randle, Mitchell Robinson ( for lobs ) and Brunson
    with no spacing Houston and you would see the tables
    turned.

    People still don't get it. In the NBA, without spacing produced
    by 3-point shooters success is few and far between.
    Instead of turning the door knob and opening the door, you
    are left just bonking the door knob.
     
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  6. ApacheWarrior

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    @astrosrule

    per basketball-reference.com

    Player......pts....FG%...3P%....2P%....eFG%....TS%
    Brunson...24.0...49.1.....41.6.....57.9.....54.7......59.7
    KPj...........19.2....44.2....36.6.....50.1......52.2......56.5

    Player.......Ast....Rebs....TOV
    Brunson....6.2......3.5........2.1
    KPj............5.7......5.3........3.2

    per-36 mins
    Player......pts....Rebs.....Ast....stl
    ....TOV
    Brunson...24.7....3.6.........6.4.....0.9....2.1
    KPj............20.1...5.6.........6.0.....1.5....3.3

    Player salary 22/23
    Brunson $27.7M.....4 years older.....been playing PG all his life
    KPj..........$3.2M......22 years old......just started playing PG 2 yrs ago.

    and we were tanking
     
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    He has a heart of gold, no doubt.

    That said, he needs to make another jump, and he has to figure out how to get his body ready to play. We need to see KPJ run off 75-80 games this season.
     
  8. Verbal Christ

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    I guess its too bad the knicks were stuck with brunson instead of having kpj, they would have had a better season obviously!
     
  10. DatRocketFan

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    garbage pg, previous seasons result will repeat itself with kpj as pg.

    No harden
    No scoot

    Expecting kpj to raise his team offense capability with his subpar playmaking is just setting us up for another losing season, stone needs to address this promptly.
     
  11. dobro1229

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    I actually think Morey will try and extract KPJ from the Rockets in a sign and trade if Harden does announce he's coming back.

    I think GM's around the league who are cap strapped (and there are about to be a ton of them) will be wanting KPJ more than people think. As your "Head Honcho" he's not all that valuable, but playing next to superstars like Embiid or Lebron in LA, I absolutely think GM's would love to bring him in and would definitely sell their fanbase and the media on him being a core piece of their offense.

    In Philly I could definitely see the narrative being that they actually upgraded with KPJ over an aging and overpaid Harden.
     
  12. Dredd

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    Is KPJ going to actually play a full season ? Injury prone player. You can get about 50 games from him.
     
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    lmao apachewarrior thinks kpj is better than brunson

    smdfh
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    Both.

    Neither Green or Jabari have shown anything to think they are going to be anything special.

    Green is one of the worst defensive players in the league and he's a chucker on offense....you can get happy about his volume scoring, but he does it to the detriment of the team due to how inefficient he is.

    If Smith remembers that he knows how to shoot, he could be a taller Ariza....that's his ceiling.
     
  15. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    I'm not sure a lot of us were expecting a trade. He's in a really unique situation and his value is in flux. He's worth hanging on to specifically if we can see what he looks like with a more stable roster construction (e.g. a couple of veterans and not always being the starting PG.)
     
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    People need to wake up and realize there are very few players in the league who are able to put up 50 points and 10 assists in a game. Fans forget this team purposely tanked games which means the top players weren't playing their best the last 3 seasons. It would be foolish to trade KPJ right now.
     

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