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Midterms

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. rhadamanthus

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    They all **** up the country. Just in different ways.
     
  2. Rashmon

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    The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn.

    The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it.

    P.J. O'ROURKE, Holidays in Hell
     
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  3. Steve_Francis_rules

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    I think that about sums it up. The Democrats have the better ideas, but are too weak to actually implement them or they end up with some watered down version. That's still quite a bit better than the Republicans, who have horrible ideas and the discipline to actually push them through.
     
  4. basso

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    hilarious: this guys is the democrat in WV.

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  5. BigBenito

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    Want some evidence on how far right the republican party has gone? view the ignored post above mine.
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Every candidate running for public office is a democrat.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    :eek: According to ABC News Sharron Angle has raised $14.1 million in the last quarter while Christine O'Donnell $3 million which in her case is the last two weeks.
     
  8. mc mark

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    So? In Angle's case I saw a graph that only about 3% of that 14M is coming from citizens of Nevada (I'll wager the % is about the same for O'Donnell). What is she going to do with all that cash when she loses? ;)

    But you're right, it is impressive that the tea party is so willing to throw their money away. :grin:
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I have my reservations about Democrat's solutions to many problems. I think health care for instance is far from being solved, in fact, I suspect it's not solvable. It's simply unsustainable. The problem is simply that we have incredibly expensive technology and doctors that can extend life beyond what was ever imaginable.

    There are tough choices which eventually lead to rationing of some kind - there simply isn't enough money any way you slight it. It's not even about the poor - who actually cost us less with free preventive care since we pay for their health care anyway in higher costs. Ever wonder why you pay $200 just to say hi to a doctor? It ain't medical malpractice.

    And this is what disturbs me about republicans. There's a legitimate angle in conservatism but what you have now is so far right it's a joke. I hope the tea party gets control of some red states and enacts their fanatical anti-gov't libertarianism. Because it will be a total disaster.

    People forget the reason we have a strong federal gov't after 200 years is because IT WORKED! Through the years and years, we survived depressions, world wars, disasters, droughts, civil war and so on. People forget that we're one of the most populous nations on earth and one of, if not the most successful. And yet they want to get rid of the very things that got us here???

    Things like TARP were not democratic ideas, they were bi-partisan ones - actually coming from republicans mainly to save us from a disaster. People are just stupid to think it's "Big gov't". Big gov't just saved people's arses from a total economic Chernobyl.

    You think 10% unemployment was bad? Someone should talk to their 100 year old grandfather. In the days BEFORE regulation, BEFORE big gov't, BEFORE things like the EPA, the FDA, and the DOT.

    That said, I don't think the dems have the answers either. I think gov't should be reduced - but not for the sake of reduction, it should be made to be the right size from an administrative standpoint - like a greyhound. Not a chihuahua like republicans want and certain not a st bernard. But definitely it needs size.

    Entitlement programs are in trouble. Social Security and Pension plans are not sustainable as they are built. Change is needed.

    But neither side has the answer, but what scares me is that neither side has NO INTEREST IN OFFERING A SOLUTION.

    And guess whose fault that is? It's our fault. It's our fault for buying into sound bites instead of deeply understanding something for knee jerk reactions for being partisans. Until the people wise up and start thinking we really need solutions and that is more important is to find the right one and see through the power struggle between Republcians and Democrats, the poop cycle is going to continue on and on and on.
     
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  10. tallanvor

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    the founding fathers, Constitution, Conservatives, and Libertarians usually support a big federal government for the things you mentioned above (except depressions): war and natural disasters.

    What "got us here" is not government regulation of markets. Which is what conservatives/libertarians are mostly complaining about these days. Conservatives/Libertarians know what made America a super power. Free markets and protection of individual rights.
     
  11. thadeus

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    These Tea Party morons are getting huge wads of cash from moneybags ***** to essentially sell out the working class.
     
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  12. FranchiseBlade

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    free markets? Hardly. Tax incentives for corporations means it isn't a free market. The deregulation screwed over the economy big time.
     
  13. Major

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    Away from the scrubbed down Texas textbooks, what got us here was a much more highly regulated financial system for much of our history. That and 100 years of slavery, lack of civil rights for many for nearly 200 years, abusive work conditions, legal discrimination, etc.
     
  14. mc mark

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    the thadeus! Laying down some truth!
     
  15. basso

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    we are the middle/working class.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yes, gov't regulations are a big part of us being a super power. We emerged as one when we reformed our banking system. Things like FDIC and reserve requirements are what made the dollar strong and safe and what is allowed banks to loan money and generate investment instead of holding onto it. You don't know anything about our history if you think otherwise.

    Read up buddy and come back when you've learned a thing or two.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Fixed that for you
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Not quite. Government spending, in terms of military and infrastructure, created our ability to project power anywhere in the world. While the destruction of almost every other major economy in WWII allowed us to step in as the de facto most powerful economy.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Does that mean you are a Tea Partier?
     
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    this really is a discussion for another thread, but I have to point out that I made this argument in health care thread and you disagreed with me. eventually we are gonna have to decide what is essential care and what is luxury.
     

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