IF the Rockets were to trade Tmac, I think we either need to get a all star calibur point guard in return or a bunch of good, solid role players along with draft picks in return. That was how Hakeem won his first championship. He didn't have any all stars around him, but the role players we had were very good at their roles and all of them could shoot. The ball movement was spectacular on that team. I think a team built around Yao has that same potential. I think he needs a big, bruising power forward next to him, and perimeter players who can shoot the 3, but can also drive to the basket. Even guys that can hit the mid-range shot would be effective on this team. A shot blocker would also be nice and I think Aaron Brooks will be the starting point guard next year for the Rockets, and I would love to see that. With that in mind, the to do list for the Rockets right now are: 1.) Big, bruising power forward who can rebound and can finish around the basket effectively and can guard the bigger and better power forwards of the NBA. Think of Otis Thorpe, Charles Oakley, Horace Grant type of power forwards. Guys who do the dirty work for great scoring centers. 2.) A shooting guard who is not too small, but can shoot the 3 consistantly, shoot the ball off the move, can penetrate and finish and can play solid defense and a very tough player. Think Vernon Maxwell or Cuttino Mobley type players. 3.) Small forward with some length and perimeter skills. A guy who can slash to the basket and finish strong and a guy who can hit open jumpshots. And a decent defender. Think Robert Horry, Tayshaun Prince, and Luol Deng type of players. 4.) If possible, a good shot blocker to keep Yao out of foul trouble. Somewhat hard to find these days, but Yao is not a terrible one right now, but just to reduce fouls on Yao. 5.) Future draft picks, if possible, 1st rounders. I think You can get 3 of the 5 things on the "To Do list" if you trade Tmac. Thats not asking for a whole lot. Trading solid role players for a superstar talent and a guy who can have big games and sell tickets. I think trades with the Bulls and Jazz may be possible. The Jazz need a finisher and a scoring perimeter threat and the Bulls need to sell tickets and hope that McGrady can carry a team to the Playoffs atleast, the way he used to in Orlando. The other things on the "To Do List" can be achieved by trading guys like Shane Battier, Mike James, Steve Francis, Chuck Hayes, and maybe Novak in some type of package. Or include any of these guys in a package with Tmac even. Miami really needs a point guard, Jerry Sloan, Stan Van Gundy, and other defensive minded coaches would always be willing to take guys like Battier and Chuck Hayes, and EVERY team in the NBA couuld use a shooter. Just throwing some thoughts out there...Hopefully the Rockets management can figure out the rest.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...32~3018&teams=10~10~10~10~4~4~4~4~4&te=&cash= We get rid of some of our baggage, and we take in some of theirs, while they get their superstar in Tmac, defensive player in Battier, shooter in Novak, the expiring contract of Steve Francis and scoring point guard in Mike James since Hinrich has forgotten how to shoot this season. the Rockets get a solid scoring shooting guard in Ben Gordon who can penetrate, a good all around small forward in Deng, a tough, gritty forward in Nocioni who can play defense and hit open jumpshots, drives to the basket(former teamate of Scola as well), and take on the Bulls baggage of Ben Wallace for 3 years. He can still be a good defensive POWER FORWARD these days. He's had to play center in Chicago, and that just hasn't worked out. He can be a good back up to Yao or Scola IMO, and he can still block shots if playing against a smaller player. Would give the Rockets some toughness at the very least.
Guess who doesn't... Spoiler ANYONE that has ANY interest in the success of the Bulls franchise, today or in the forseeable future.
I normally dont get into this, but why does every trade involve T-Mac. Why is yao so untradeable? Think about this, If baylor called you and offered you Kaman 18ppg 14rebs and 2.7 bks and Maggette 20ppg and 6 rebs for yao , why wouldn't you do it. You cant tell me getting a rugged, hardnosed 25 yr old big guy like kaman and a attacking,slashing 28 yr old maggette wouldn't make this team better. The rox would instantly be more atheletic,quicker and tougher than with yao. Anyone who watches hoops will see kaman has more presence in the paint than yao.
How long did it take for garnett to make it out the 1st rd? How many times have the best big man in the game made it out?
If to get Mike Miller we would have to take on a longer, bad contract and give up short contracts? Would this help us? Mike Miller (2 years remaining) Brian Cardinal (3 years remaining) for Battier (3 years remaining) Francis (1 year remaining) Snyder (either 0 or 1 year remaining) Novak (0 years remaining) Would Mike Miller help us enough to make taking on Cardinal worth it? Do you thinK Memphis would do this?
This does work. Memphis gets 3 SG for 1 SG..They get a slasher and two "shooters", when they are hot. Contracts expire a little earlier. I wouldn't do it if I was them, but if they are looking to unload Miller, it's not a bad deal for them...and great for us! (If they like, they can have Battier back instead of James, but his contract is longer...their choice...either works for me!) This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over. Memphis Grizzlies Incoming Players Kirk Snyder Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 15.18 Mike James Salary: $5,826,893 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 7.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.8 PER: 11.21 Luther Head Salary: $1,122,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 5.9 REB: 1.6 AST: 1.4 PER: 12.52 Outgoing Players: Mike MillerHouston Rockets Incoming Players Mike Miller Salary: $8,376,194 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 16.2 REB: 6.9 AST: 3.8 PER: 15.87 Outgoing Players: Kirk Snyder, Mike James, Luther Head
I really don't want to trade Tmac, but if we do...Memphis loves to trade with us....so how about this: This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over. Memphis Grizzlies Incoming Players Chuck Hayes Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 3.3 REB: 6.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.09 Tracy McGrady Salary: $18,257,750 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 22.8 REB: 4.7 AST: 5.1 PER: 21.49 Kirk Snyder Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 15.18 Luther Head Salary: $1,122,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 5.9 REB: 1.6 AST: 1.4 PER: 12.52 Outgoing Players: Mike Miller, Pau Gasol, Kyle Lowry Houston Rockets Incoming Players Mike Miller Salary: $8,376,194 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 16.2 REB: 6.9 AST: 3.8 PER: 15.87 Pau Gasol Salary: $13,735,000 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 17.2 REB: 8.0 AST: 2.7 PER: 18.86 Kyle Lowry Salary: $1,087,680 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 9.8 REB: 4.1 AST: 3.8 PER: 14.56 Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Tracy McGrady, Kirk Snyder, Luther Head So, our starting lineup becomes: AB (or whatever point guard you choose), MM, Bonzi, Paul G and Yao...better than we have now..with our bench: Shane, Scola, MJ, Steve, Wafer, Kyle Lowry, and the rest of the brigade. Memphis can then start: Damon S., Tmac, Rudy Gay, Chuck and Darco.... and they add Luther and Snyder to their bench brigade. It makes both teams better IMHO. Still, if we can find a better trade to get where we need to with keeping Tmac, I would still prefer that.
after reading some of these responses, i have come to a conclusion. not only do we have horrible houston fans, but we have dumb ones also!
There has been much said about getting Maggette from the Clippers. I do believe he could help us. The only way we might get him is to trade: Battier Francis for Maggette Then we could resign Mike Harris. We would miss what Shane and Steve brings us, but Maggette would bring the scoring we could use. Mike Harris would also help. Any opinions.
All Kaman has on Yao is athleticism, and not an enormous amount of that. No, I don't watch every Clippers game, but I watch enough to know that Kaman is just as likely to revert to prior years form in the future as to stay where he is or get better. He's only shot over 50% once in his career (and not this year), he's historically a worse rebounder than Yao (and defensive rebounding isn't a problem for us), and Kaman doesn't get defended like Yao. I'd still think about the trade you mentioned, because Kaman does give you enough of what Yao can and you get Maggette. But Yao is untradeable....you may not like it, but Les isn't about to trade him. But beside the financial implications, personally, I'd also rather trade T-Mac then Yao. I think Yao's limiting effect on any offense is way overrated. In fact, I find Yao to be a better fit for Adelman's system than T-Mac (who doesn't push fast breaks, doesn't run the wing, and whose offense is almost entirely off post-ups or pick and rolls (nothing wrong with that, except regardless of big man - even Amare or Dwight - your team speed overall will be dependent on guard play). Yao and T-Mac are both, effectively half-court players...I just think Yao is the better half court option...the problem is, we have no fast break / easy basket options, like the Lakers of the 80's, who had one superstar who dominated the break while being effective in the half court (Magic) and one superstar who dominated the half court while being effective in the break (Kareem). Yao's no Kareem, Tracy's no Magic, and the rest of the Rockets are nowhere near the mid 80's Lakers supporting cast. I just think this team will be the most effective trading T-Mac with the hope of getting a PG who can and does push the break and an athletic wing player who can finish on the break, with Yao as your efficient half court option (example: T-Mac/Battier/Mike James/draft pick for Jason Kidd/Richard Jefferson). You can trade Yao, but even if you get back an almost comparable big man (Kaman), that won't trade the nature of your team (i.e. make the Rockets more of a fast break team.
Does anyone that WOULD trade Tracy...think that this trade would be good for both teams, especially Houston since they are our team. This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over. Sacramento Kings Incoming Players Chuck Hayes Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 3.3 REB: 6.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.09 Tracy McGrady Salary: $18,257,750 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 22.8 REB: 4.7 AST: 5.1 PER: 21.49 Rafer Alston Salary: $4,550,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 9.3 REB: 3.2 AST: 5.0 PER: 11.97 Outgoing Players: Mike Bibby, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia, Ron ArtestHouston Rockets Incoming Players Mike Bibby Salary: $13,500,000 Years Remaining: 2 John Salmons Salary: $4,752,000 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 15.7 REB: 4.7 AST: 3.1 PER: 17.23 Francisco Garcia Salary: $1,168,800 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 12.8 REB: 3.4 AST: 1.6 PER: 16.18 Ron Artest Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.35 Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Tracy McGrady, Rafer Alston They get one of our STARS...and three of our "starters" total and we get two very good players on the downside of their careers, plus two sometime starter bench players that are good shooters. New Houston starting lineup: Bibby, Bonzi, Artest, Scola, Yao...bench is also improved with additions New Sacramento starting lineup: Rafer, Martin, Tmac, Moore, Miller..bench is also improved with Hayes Both teams are better if you ask me But I would still rather find a good trade that keeps Tmac and Yao together! But this may be the only way that the Maloofs deal with Adelman.
Ive been on the trade machine and gone a little happy on it! So, before we split up Tracy and Yao, among the other trades that I have shown will work dollar wise and seem to be good trades for both or all teams involved, here is my latest block buster that contains a four team 20 player trade! This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over. New York Knicks Incoming Players James Posey Salary: $3,206,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 7.3 REB: 4.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 13.19 Alexander Johnson Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 2.2 REB: 1.0 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.00 Jason Williams Salary: $8,937,500 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 8.7 REB: 2.3 AST: 5.4 PER: 12.00 Kirk Snyder Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 15.18 Tony Allen Salary: $1,868,141 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 4.7 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.4 PER: 9.08 Mike James Salary: $5,826,893 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 7.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.8 PER: 11.21 Outgoing Players: Mardy Collins, Jared Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Eddy Curry The Knicks do this deal just to free up some money, even though they can afford not to. But they get rid of several multi-year contracts and end up with mostly 1 year contracts and a couple of 2 year contracts. The players they get in return are gonna help them run more to offer a better product to put on the floor. What they have now is not working no matter what, so getting some expiring contracts in along with some players that they can put on the floor to run with the ball also, gives them an opportunity to make some moves in the upcoming years. They are going no where this year no matter what. And long contracts have continued to be their biggest problem, along with coaching and management that are making those decisions. Boston Celtics Incoming Players Rafer Alston Salary: $4,550,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 9.3 REB: 3.2 AST: 5.0 PER: 11.97 Eddy Curry Salary: $8,947,543 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 13.7 REB: 5.0 AST: 0.6 PER: 15.29 Luther Head Salary: $1,122,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 5.9 REB: 1.6 AST: 1.4 PER: 12.52 Outgoing Players: Kendrick Perkins, James Posey, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Eddie House Boston will do this deal because while they lose some defense in Posey, although they are also losing their starting center, they are gaining Eddie Curry as their new starting center. They get Rafer to run their offense, whether they decide to start him or not over Rondo is anyone's guess. But off the bench to get it up the court and pass to their 3 stars unselfishly, who else would be better. Then they get Luther that will give them even more fire power off the bench at the one or two from 3 pt range. They become the favorites to win it all actually with this trade. Miami Heat Incoming Players Chuck Hayes Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 3.3 REB: 6.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.09 Shane Battier Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 8.3 REB: 4.6 AST: 1.5 PER: 9.99 Mardy Collins Salary: $967,320 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 1.5 REB: 1.3 AST: 1.1 PER: -0.16 Jared Jeffries Salary: $5,632,200 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 2.7 REB: 3.1 AST: 0.7 PER: 6.72 Quentin Richardson Salary: $8,105,500 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 7.3 REB: 5.9 AST: 1.6 PER: 7.25 Steve Novak Salary: $687,456 Years Remaining: 1 Outgoing Players: Alexander Johnson, Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem Miami does it because they need to do something. To me, they get the least out the deal, but they get rid of J. Williams' contract; they were gonna lose Ricky D. anyway, so they get something now for him; they were shopping Udonis anyway....and Johnson is no big deal to lose. In return, they get some strong defenders in Battier and Hayes. They get some 3 point shooting with Battier, Novak and Q. Richardson, who could return to form working with D. Wade and provide them what Ricky Davis doesn't. Im sure they can find some use for Marty Collins and Jared J. as well. Houston Rockets Incoming Players Kendrick Perkins Salary: $4,480,912 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 6.9 REB: 5.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.20 Ricky Davis Salary: $6,819,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 14.9 REB: 4.2 AST: 2.5 PER: 12.46 Brian Scalabrine Salary: $3,000,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 2.1 REB: 1.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 5.07 Eddie House Salary: $1,500,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 8.0 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.7 PER: 15.17 Udonis Haslem Salary: $6,050,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 13.1 REB: 9.4 AST: 1.5 PER: 13.58 Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Steve Novak, Kirk Snyder, Mike James, Luther Head The Rockets do it because we get a proven third scorer in Ricky Davis. Him and Tmac will make it more difficult on opposing teams than Tmac and Battier at that position. Also, we upgrade our four position with Udonis/Scola vs Hayes/Scola. Also, we get the higher percentage shooter in the PG position with House coming off the bench as a spark. We also get a legit back up center for Yao with Perkins who was starting for Boston. Scalabrine is a throw in and we use him if we can. New starting lineup: AB, Tmac, Ricky D, Haslem, Yao Bench: House, Francis, Bonzi, Scola, Perkins A much better team IMHO..and we keep Yao and Tmac together! Get on the phones Morey! Any comments?
^^ Sacremento gets raped ^ Ricky Davis is cancer, and you don't want to trade away all of your PG's and start a rookie, who only had a small amount of time on the court.. And Miami wants more competent PGs and Cs. In that trade they lose Jason Williams and didnt get another PG.
