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Microsoft's Silence at CES Could be the Start of a Tough Year for the Xbox

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RC Cola, Jan 13, 2008.

  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    dude i expect you to be the first person at the sony store in line to get one and stick all your final fantasy mp3s on it!

    fanboys don't attend CES, only people with REAL INDUSTRY JOBS. Don't hate dude, i'll accept your resume. You and Cola can shine my shoes or something or grab me some coffee:cool: just kidding
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  2. chow_yun_fat

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    that's obviously not true. after all, you were there. :cool:
     
  3. tinman

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    i'm not a fanboy, I'm just here to improve people's lives by supporting HDTV regardless if they play those boring final fantasy games on it.

    it was only basso and I representing it for the Clutchfans and the non-cheapskates.
     
  4. tinman

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    the real thinking game is street fighter and that's been on xbox live for awhile.
     
  5. RC Cola

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    I hope no one here is thinking that this guy is objective (at least based on this article, haven't checked out his others). I think some discussion could be made based on some of the points he brings up though. For example, it isn't really clear to me that the 360 can "unseat the Playstation" (assuming the PS2 here, as I mentioned earlier) w/o adjusting their overall strategy a bit. They can appeal to the hardcore "cars and guns" crowd, which makes up a large percentage of gamers (particularly in NA), but that probably won't result in the type of sales MS may want.
     
  6. Brando2101

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    I wonder how long it will take before Microsoft abandons all efforts in the Japanese market. Then again, no idea what they are investing now in the region.
     
  7. Xerobull

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    That's an excellent point, and probably the only real selling point for me to get a 360.
     
  8. RC Cola

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    They definitely seemed to invest quite a bit early on. For example, they aggressively went after Mistwalker (made up of former Square-Enix employees, as well as employees from other JRPG companies), funding both Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey (their Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy). Doesn't look like those moves have paid off though. I recall seeing a strong advertising push as well, but most of this occurred a while back. I can't recall seeing many moves from them in a while, not counting any smaller moves to "secure" exclusives (like Ninja Gaiden 2 or Infinite Undiscovery...if those are even exclusive). I'm not sure I'd say they've abandoned the region, but it seems to be of lesser importance to them now.

    I wonder if they even bothered with Korea and Taiwan. I recall seeing some decent PS3 sales in those regions (given the markets), although I'm not sure if MS ever launched the 360 there (let alone pushed the system).
     
  9. chow_yun_fat

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    japan is nintendo land. nothing can stop the ds/wii train. not even superman himself.
     
  10. Apollo Creed

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    False.

    Superman could easily destroy all Nintendo factories and offices before anyone would be the wiser.
     
  11. Brando2101

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    It's interesting Korea was the first to get the 80 gig ps3. They say online content is big there. I wonder if they are going to be the first to see the launch of the PSN media download service. Still no idea when that'll see the light of day. Be nice if we had more than ambiguous release times for it, home and the in game media bar access. Seems like saying "soon" is the trendy answer.
     
  12. tinman

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    I bet you the Korea PS3 service is in Korean.
     
  13. RC Cola

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    They launched the 80GB PS3 there since they had a VOD service up-and-running on the PS3 that needed the capacity. I think it was part of a partnership with a Korean company though, and not something set up by Sony (Sony isn't providing the service, at least not directly).

    I'd guess that if Sony could ever actually put together a video download service, I don't think Korea would be more likely to receive the service first compared to the US (or Japan/Europe for that matter). I've given up on them doing this though. They've been working on it for years and haven't gotten anywhere it seems, despite the incredible advantages they have when compared to other companies. I thought it was interesting that Sony is now ready to distribute their TV shows using DivX, although I probably wouldn't put too much stock into that.

    I'm not too worried about the other two, although I'd expect to hear some more details in the next month or so (already seeing in-game XMB pictures, although they're probably fake).
     
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    Yeah, IBM is building a supercomputer that can play all 8 original street fighters on XBL.
     
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    It would seem that a service like would at some point lead to profit in the game division although, I can't imagine how long it would take to overcome the costs of setting up the service initially.

    I would be a bit bothered if the feature is not included in the next firmware update considering the comments a few weeks ago. It has seemed like a while since the last update. Makes me sad. I like seeing updates with added features. Not sure why they bother people so much. The divx addition was awesome. I've filled up my drive with episodes of the office, dexter and 30 rock and i'm about to put in a new 160 gig drive. The tv-versity streaming is just not worth the effort. I don't want to have to power up my pc and get that started every time I want to watch a tv show. I'd advise everyone else to do the same.
     
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    I'm sure it would lead to great profits for the game division, the music/video divisions of Sony, the electronics division at Sony, and possibly even lead to profits for other companies. Of course, it would require the divisions within Sony to actually talk to and cooperate with each other.

    I always figured that if they did this, it would probably use a service that would hook up to multiple Sony products (not just the PS3 and/or PSP). I thought they would just extend Sony Connect, although they ended up killing that altogether (maybe all for the best). I sometimes wondered if perhaps they would just allow the PS3 to hook up to a 3rd party service, like iTunes or something, although I'm not sure how difficult that would be to setup. Either way, there are multiple ways of implementing something like this, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.

    I wouldn't necessarily expect it in the next firmware update; I'd just be happy that it came along sometime in 2008. I don't mind the frequent updates either. I'm assuming that those who are bothered by it are more bothered by the fact that there are numerous updates that don't really add much (at least in their mind).
     
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    im pissed at how slow live is... if you PAY for something, you sure as hell better not have ANY problems. itd be okay if it was PS and problems on the free network, but thats just unacceptable and frusturating for a paying customer.
     
  18. Brando2101

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    heh heh heh heh heh. These seems somehow relevant to 9349234 different arguments earlier on the boards...something about superior service. :)

    Live is a victim of its own success. Microsoft was bailed out by that lawsuit because now they can't comment publicly on the problems they are having with their service. Can't imagine that suit going anywhere.

    That's an interesting thought. It would seem to make sense to extend to 3rd parties. More people would purchase media if they had portable access to it. This might just lead to a even bigger push for the PSP though. You're right though. With as many record labels and movie studios as sony owns, they would seem to be making a significant % of profit. I wonder if the divisions have to negotiate with each other in terms of fees or if that is handled by the parent company. Would seem like a clever way to push the gaming division in the black.
     
  19. RC Cola

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    I always felt as though Sony was in a unique and advantageous situation given that they made the hardware and software that people may want. But it seems to me like they've never actually taken advantage of that.

    I think part of the reason Howard Stringer was put in charge was so that he could try to get the company to use its resources more efficiently. I guess maybe he's helped a little bit and things like this probably do take time (some negotiations may be required, particularly if some divisions have contracts with other companies), but I still think it is a huge waste on Sony's part. They did a good job of teaming up to push Blu-ray. The R&D department helped research the tech, the electronics department put out the hardware (including discs), the movie studios put out their content on the format, the games division pushed it in their console, etc. And what a surprise, this will probably earn Sony a LOT of money.

    Oh well...guess the Rolly is a decent alternative to all that.
     
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    Welcome to planet Earth. Enjoy your stay. :)
     

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