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Microfracture Sugery Announcement-A Ploy to Not Get Traded?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Blake, Feb 18, 2009.

  1. Blake

    Blake Member

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    Okay, I'm asking you to take of your "TMac rose colored glasses" for a second.

    In the offseason and last year, there were not media reports all over the papers and internet about him being specifically discussed in deals. This week, it happened for the first time. If I am a player and I read all of this stuff on the front page of the biggest sports websites on the web, I would begin to think, "Crap, they are really serious this time." If I don't want to be traded to a team that I have no desire to play for, I might do what I need to do to make sure that I am not traded.

    You don't think it's coincidental that last week, when no trades were being discussed in the papers specifically mentioning TMac, he said that surgery was probably not necessary but now that there are discussions and the media is all over them (possible exaggerating but perception is reality), he decides to tell SAS of all people that he is definitely getting the surgery? When did he meet with these doctors who said he had to have it? He was in freaking Vegas over the break...and the team says they won't have any new news until the end of the week.

    Sorry, man, but there is a big difference in behind the scenes rumors and rumors that make headlines all over the net.
     
  2. HowsMyDriving

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    due to salary matching rules - they have to write the check for $40 million anyway.

    its just a matter of what they are spending $40 million on. if they want to spend $40 million on a better draft pick, 2010 cap space, and time to generate and execute a solid strategy, then it makes sense to get tracy now.

    if not, then they wont trade for him. simple as that.
     
  3. Texxx

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    Are you really that naive?

    All he is going to do is get the surgery and take this entire season and off season and next season off with the Rockets money. Then he will get himself healthy for the 2010 free agency where all the teams are going to have a lot of money and he is going to try and get one last big pay check. He has this all figured it out.

    Smart plan by Tmac, but it kills the Rockets.

    If you're a true Rockets fan, and not a dilusional Tmac fan then you'd hate the guy right now.
     
  4. t_mac1

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    rumors are rumors. u think tracy lives in isolation? he has friends and families who are all like us reading everything and relaying it to him. he knows of it.

    and like feign and blindbury said many times, nobody wants him, NOT MY WORDS.
     
  5. Blake

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    Per my original post, I don't believe that the microfracture procedure isn't an option, I just don't think that they KNOW it is the way to go. From the info that we have been given, the knee is sore but is structurally sound.

    The timing of his announcement to Steven A. is suspicous in that it comes on the heels of major rumors about him being moved and shopped around. His saying that he has to have the surgery, when obviously they are awaiting other opinions, kills what little trade value he may have had and assures him that he will stay a Rocket.

    I don't doubt his knee hurts. I don't doubt that he may end up getting the surgery. I DO doubt that he knows he has to get it right now...
     
  6. Blake

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    Okay, so you agree with me. He reads the same stuff we do, so he thinks that the team is probably trying to trade him...

    So now all of a sudden he "has to have the procedure" when they are awaiting other medical opinions?

    The premature announcement to Steven A was a ploy to make sure we don't move him, seeing as it kills his value (not that he had a lot to begin with but trades were allegedly being discussed)

    And of course no one wants him now...he just said he needs MICROFRACTURE surgery. Mission accomplished
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    these conspiracy theory threads are just stupid.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    you gotta admit it's creative.
     
  9. HowsMyDriving

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    i think blind loyalty to a player with a history of quitting, making up injuries, a poor work ethic, and self-aggrandizing is even more silly.

    but thats just me.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    no wonder there's always drama with my ex-girlfriends. always assume A -> C.
     
  11. Blake

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    Why?

    Then tell me this...

    End of last week, he tells the media that he is awaiting other opinions and will make a decision after he gets them. The team says the MRI's show no more damage to the knee. He leaves for Vegas and spends the weekend there. He comes home to find that every major sports site says we are in discussions to move him...front page headlines. Then he tells SAS he HAS to have the procedure, yet he is still awaiting medical advice...

    You don't see how this works in his favor? He decimated what little value he had by saying that the procedure was a CERTAINTY, even though he is still waiting for more medical advice...

    Once again, I am not saying that he won't end up getting the surgery, but what I am saying is that RIGHT NOW, we don't know that he has to have it. But by telling SAS that he does, he makes sure that we don't move him

    Why is that crazy? I'm not accusing him of faking the knee pain...
     
  12. t_mac1

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    if we got vince for tracy, i'd be happy/ecstatic. we actually have a guy who's playing instead of sitting.

    i'm not defending the guy who could be done with his NBA career. i'm just flabbergasted at the theories people put out there. it's pretty creative don't you think?
     
  13. HowsMyDriving

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    not when the "theories" are based on facts we have about the player in question, and are consistent with his previous behavior over a ten+ year period.

    i think that even some of the more outlandish stories people have proposed are more probable (and more consistent with the facts in hand) than what you are saying.
     
  14. t_mac1

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    I really wouldn't think the trade deadline has anything to do with it. It's not like he could pass a physical for another team anyway. Plus, the odds of trading him were so slim that the Rockets weren't really even trying, despite the reports to the contrary.

    from solomon's blog

    so all 3 rocket reporters think the same way.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Should read "consistent with his previous behavior as a ten-year old. Period."
     
  16. Blake

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    Read my post above yours and tell me how that's "really creative"?

    I stated the facts, then used my opinion to tie it all together. What about my statement (other than his intentions to torpedo his value) is incorrect?

    Are we not still awaiting further opinions?
    Did he not say at the end of last week that he didn't want surgery and needed more medical opinions?
    Was he not in Vegas over the ASB (meaning not getting examined)?
    Does the team still say the knee is okay?
    Does the team still say we are awaiting more opinions?
    Did ESPN and other websites not say we were in serious discussions to move him?
    Did he not go to SAS and say he needed the procedure even though he doesn't have any other opinions yet?
    Did Morey not say we won't know anything more until later in the week at the earliest?
    Did telling SAS this not kill what little value he had in the trade market?

    What is disputable in those sentences?
     
  17. HowsMyDriving

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    well played, sir.
     
  18. JonesDaddy

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    I think we'll have an answer to the conspiracy theory after Thursday.
    If T-Mac has the surgery, then I don't think for an instant that it is a ploy, but if his activity this season is any indicator, I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly doesn't need the surgery (announced after deadline).

    As to his trade value...
    I think NJ would still have to look pretty hard at swapping cousins. VC is 32 and has 3 more years on his deal. Does anyone here think VC's value is on the rise? Prior to this season, I had written him off. I have no reason to believe that he will continue to play at a high level through his contract.
    Currently VC > Tmac.
    However, the whole reason teams would be willing to eat the last years of VC's contract is to contend in the next 1-2 seasons. It will be considerably harder to move VC next year. And given that he hasn't exactly been an iron man himself, isn't VC one awkward landing away from having less value than Tmac? If 2010 is their big plan, NJ would run a lot of risk by holding on to VC. At least Tmac is guaranteed to be off the books.

    My biggest fear is that we'll be making this deal in a year, when VC has less in the tank.
     
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    Nope.

    http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2009/02/mcgrady_out_for_the_year_if_he.html
    [rquoter]The McGrady developments late Tuesday will not impact this. They were not dealing him. No one is taking on that contract now, even before he said he would need microfracture surgery.[/rquoter]
    Your conspiracy was a fail. What's your next conspiracy? Feigen is covering all this up?
     
  20. Blake

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    Nope. Feigen repeats what Morey tells him. Morey said he wasn't on the block. Multiple reports say otherwise. Perhaps DM doesn't want to upset TMac's fragile ego. Perhaps DM is telling the truth. Who knows...

    But if you actually read what I was saying, I said that players don't usually trust management. Tmac comes back from Vegas and reads what we all read...ESPN and others saying that he is on the block and involved in active trade discussions. Then, before getting the other opinions from doctors, he tells the national media that he is done.

    Thanks for playing
     

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