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Michigan and North Carolina pass Laws on Religious Exemptions

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Gov. Rick Snyder of Michigan signs bills allowing adoption agencies to decline services to LGBT couples based on religion beliefs.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ichigan-same-sex-adoption-religious/71062938/

    Snyder OKs letting Mich. groups decline adoption by gays

    Gov. Rick Snyder signed a package of bills Thursday that will allow faith-based adoption groups in Michigan to refuse to serve prospective parents, like same-sex or unmarried couples, if doing so would violate the groups' religious beliefs.

    Snyder's decision on faith-based adoption came as the U.S. Supreme Court is on the verge of ruling later this month on whether same-sex marriages should be legal in Michigan and several other states.

    The decision came after the bill was placed on the Senate's agenda at the last minute -- and with no notice Wednesday -- passed and quickly concurred by the House of Representatives.

    "The state has made significant progress in finding more forever homes for Michigan kids in recent years and that wouldn't be possible without the public-private partnerships that facilitate the adoption process," Snyder said in a statement. "We are focused on ensuring that as many children are adopted to as many loving families as possible regardless of their makeup."

    Critics of the bills have derided the legislation as state-sanctioned discrimination against same-sex and unmarried couples — especially because many of the faith-based agencies receive public funding from the state. But supporters say it will help keep all options open for adoptive parents, while not forcing the agencies to compromise their principles for fear of legal retaliation or face closure because of a loss of state funding.

    In the 2014-15 budget year, $19.9 million in state and federal funds went toward supporting agencies for adoption and foster care services, according to the state Department of Human Services. Nearly $10 million of that total went to faith-based agencies that would be covered under the religious objection bills.

    The bills landed on Gov. Snyder's desk on Wednesday after a swift passage in the Senate and concurrence in the House. Every Republican voted for the bills, save for Sen. Tory Rocca, R-Sterling Heights, who joined all of Michigan's Senate Democrats in voting against them.

    Democrats also tried to get eight amendments passed that would, among other things: require faith-based agencies to provide their policies in writing to potential clients, as well as on their websites and displayed in their facilities, and comply with state and federal civil rights laws; prohibit adoption agencies that receive more than $500,000 in state funding from being able to use the religious objection argument; allow for second parent adoptions for unmarried couples. Every amendment failed.

    The Michigan Catholic Conference lauded the Governor's quick signature, saying: "It is critically important to solidify the State's long-standing partnership with faith-based child placement agencies operating collectively in the best interest of the state's most vulnerable children."

    The liberal group Progress Michigan, however, said the swift passage of the bill was simple discrimination sanctioned and paid for by the state.

    "Gov. Snyder has a history of siding with extreme corporate donors, but sacrificing the health and well-being of children is a new low — even for him," said Lonnie Scott, executive director of Progress Michigan. "Children deserve loving homes and our elected officials should be held accountable for supporting this blatant act of discrimination."

    And the ACLU was preparing a lawsuit challenging the bills as discriminatory.
     
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    NC overrides Gov. McCrory's veto to allow for government magistrates and other officials to opt out of duties for gay marriages that they object to under religious views.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/11/us-usa-gaymarriage-north-carolina-idUSKBN0OR1YX20150611

    North Carolina lawmakers allow 'opt-out' over same-sex marriage

    Government officials in North Carolina can refuse to perform same-sex marriages by citing religious objections under a new law pushed through on Thursday by the Republican-led legislature, which voted to override the governor's veto.

    The law protects the jobs of magistrates and other officials who refuse to perform marriages of gay couples by citing a “sincerely held religious objection.”

    Governor Pat McCrory, also a Republican, had said the officials who swore to defend the Constitution and perform their duties of office should not be exempt from upholding their oath.

    The state House of Representatives on Thursday overrode his veto by reaching the three-fifths majority in a 69-41 vote. The state Senate held a similar vote earlier this month.

    North Carolina House Speaker Tim Moore said in a statement after the vote that the law “protects sincerely held religious beliefs while also ensuring that magistrates are available in all jurisdictions to perform lawful marriages.”

    Once they have asked to opt out in writing, magistrates would be barred from performing any marriage, gay or heterosexual, for six months.

    Gay rights advocates said a court challenge is expected.

    "This bill, which will now become law, is discriminatory and treats gay and lesbian couples as second class citizens," Rev. Jasmine Beach-Ferrara, the executive director of the advocacy group Campaign for Southern Equality, said in a statement.

    A court decision last year invalidated a North Carolina law banning same-sex marriage. Gay marriage is legal in 37 states and Washington, D.C.

    The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to decide by the end of June whether same-sex marriage should be legal nationwide.
     
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    I'm not sure about the other one, but this one seems blatantly unconstitutional and would be thrown out in court. I'd be curious if a magistrate decided they were opposed to heterosexuals getting married under his or her persoanl religion, if they could just reject all of those.

    I'm not surprised it passed, but I'm surprised it had a supermajority to override a veto.
     
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    It *really* is time to take the concept of Marriage out of Government hands

    What is the government's vested interest in marriages?
    Licensing it is nothing more than a tax of sorts

    Rocket River
     
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    It provides a reliable unassailable source of records when it comes to things like probate.
     
  6. Major

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    Estates, parental rights, health decision making, on and on. The state absolutely has a vested interest in the legal status of relationships.
     
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    These cannot be done through contracts etc? Living Wills, etc?


    Rocket River
     
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    Marriage is a contract.
     
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    Dinosaurs will die. Only a matter of weeks.
     
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    It is done through a contract - marriage. You're just proposing a whole bunch of contracts to replace the one that already exists that covers all those things.
     
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    The North Carolina one seems way unconstitutional for government entities to discriminate.

    The Michigan one, I think will stand. I don't agree with them that kids can only be raised healthy in a mom and dad relationship, but those kids are done through their agency and they have the power to decide where to place those kids.
     
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    I hated the idea of a third, uninvited party, enter into my wife and I's covenant.
    But alas women want things that don't matter for the approval of others.:(
     
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    Does the gov't really have anything to do with that covenant?
     
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    I've said this before but I would support taking marriage out of government hands but I've yet to see any serious proposals to do so. Further this never seemed to be an issue until gay marriage became an issue.

    Anytime the subject of gay marriage comes up inevitable someone comes in saying we need to take government out of marriage. If people really feel that way let's see some lobbying, organizing and legislation to do so. Instead we see lobbying and legislation to try to block gay marriage and carve out exceptions to it.
     
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    Has a bunch of strings attached to it.
    I guess we need to have ala carte contracts
    that can be made up by the individuals entering the agreement
    rather than dictated by the governmental body

    i.e. If THREE people .. . or Same Sex people. . . or hell 20 people want to enter into those contracts . .. they can

    Rocket River
     
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    That already exists also - just create living wills instead of signing a marriage contract. No one forces anyone to get married.
     
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    But many of those agencies are receiving public funding. If they want to discriminate, the state shouldn't be funding their ability to do so.
     
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    Are you talking about our personal relationship to each other or are you talking about obligations brought fourth by a third party to a contract that shouldn't be involved?
    The former obviously has no implications.
    As for the latter;
    It is completely unnecessary imo for them to need/want us to go to their facilities to register our union. I don't want any entitlements. So it is merely for their record. A record of which is frankly none of their damn business.
     
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    Then just go get married in your church and don't get legally married. There won't be a record it within the government and you don't get any of the entitlements. Seems to solve your issue.
     
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    I already got married and licensed with the state.
    It's my own fault.
    I knew of other recourses, but couldn't convince the wifey that it would still be "official" otherwise.
    I own it but don't condone it.
     

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