[Michelle Obama] I Want to Rip Clinton’s Eyes Out!

Well, if you don't like that one....

http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/0417/cu18-1.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_yu/20050630.html

http://www-rci.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/pubd/guesswho.html

 

Ottomaton, it's a well known FACT that Chinese are racists towards blacks? You got some nerve. Well know by whom? What is your conclusion based on, a few random posts? I guess you never had any friend from China, and never had any deep connection with any Chinese either; otherwise, your judgment would be in question to be willing to become friends with racists.

Chinese are such racists that they have been building hospitals and bridges and railroads in Africa for the past 50+ years. Chinese are such racists that they enrolled many students from Africa into every major university in China, for free. Chinese are such racists that foreigners working in China expressed such fondness and don't want to leave. Chinese are such racists that it's always safe to throw racially offensive comments at them from people such as yourself. You "win" your argument on a bbs by labeling all Chinese as racists? Congrats!

I hope you will never need to be interact with anything and anybody from China, so that your righteous mind won't be harmed by any Chinese, i mean racists.

 

Hmm, making a blanket statement and calling the people from an entire country racists?

The hypocrisy here is unbelievable.

 

Don't shoot the messenger. Do you think all those stories and personal experiences are made up? Some vast conspiracy by the Internets to smear China? I'm just conveying to you the details and facts. If you think all those stories are fictions, perhaps you can refute them all.

BTW, you people might want to do a bit more research before you profess the great African love for China.

Also:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/03/wzamb03.xml

There are a few more such stories, but I'm sure you can do a bit of research yourself and find them.

 

Stories are not made up, but the conclusion was made by you that it's well and widely known people from China are racists towards blacks.

The story you used to support your claim in your first post happened 20 years ago. When a few African students studying in Chinese university, free of charge, with special treatment in living/study, in the campus, got into a confrontation with security at the gate. It ended up with more African students joined the party and outnumbered the security and Chinese students, resulted in 2 injured African students, and 10+ Chinese students, according to the same article. On the second day, when more Chinese students were angry about the incident, which happened in their own country, racially offensive words were shouted by a few. That's your basis to call ALL people from China racists. You are truly some character. My advice to you would be, never talk to or associate with anyone and anything from China, to keep your mind pure.

 

Those stories might be true, or might not. But to make a blanket statement is just dumb. You know there are more than one billion people in China?

Calling an entire country racist based on a few stories on the internet kinda makes you a bigot yourself.

 

When I say, "Americans are fat" I am not accusing each and every individual American of being fat. I should think that is obvious.

Beyond that initial story, I brought you quite a bit more evidence. Even beyond that, there is tons and tons of more evidence out there. You will even find dozens of websites trying to refute the idea that Chinese are racist against black people.

This isn't something I made up one day when I was bored. Google is your friend. Give it a try.

 

Google is anyone's friend, and a sane mind and simple logic are better guides for you.

According to your logic, if you can find quite a bit more evidence, in your case, 5 internet articles, you can throw out general accusation towards one country or one ethnic group. You can find maybe 10, 20 cases that American soldiers in Japan, Korea, and Germany, raped girls there, so you are going to draw the conclusion that "American soldiers overseas are rapists", with your disclaimer - that you are not accusing every single one of them, just them in general. You can also find 10, 20 cases where American soldiers killed innocent civilians in Iraq. According to your own logic and "obvious disclaimer", are you going to claim that American soldiers in Iraq are murders, not every single one of them but in general?

According to your same logic, it's not the first time and in fact you did it 3, 4 times in this very thread, you claimed Chinese are racists. So one can conclude that you are indeed a racist towards Chinese? Of course, not every single minute of your life, but you in general. Like you said, that's not something you made up one day, but a general true color of you.

BTW, I will never think you represent Americans, or any race you are in, no matter how many offensive words I found from you.

 

I thought this thread was about two shortys gettin' ready to throw down....

 

So, just to be clear, what you are saying is that if I make a claim, like Americans are fat and indifferent to the rest of the world, Chinese are racist against Black people, Japanese are racist against Chinese, then that means that I am a racist? Any generalized comment = racism?

And if I run a search on all your threads I will never see you talking about a group of people in a general way?

BTW, what I'm talking about really isn't a racial bias, but a cultural one. There is no genetic predisposition to racism against black people in China. Children of Chinese in America are not racist, and I don't think it is a fixed trait - with concerted effort, China can become less racist to black people just as they have done to all the other 'foreign devils'.

 

Yao likes black people. So is he a racist?

 

Calling someone fat is not as offensive as calling someone racist, IMHO. That's why I gave you examples of raping and killing. IF, you came out making general comment about Americans being rapists and murders, I will call your comment stupid generalization. If you did as you claimed calling Japanese racists against Chinese, Chinese racists against blacks, Americans racists against Chinese etc, I will call your comment again, stupid generalization or trolling or childish flame-baiting.

However, when you stick with your generalized accusation to Chinese being racist in a simple discussion about US election, trying so hard to "back up" your accusation, with a few isolated incidents report from Internet, it makes you a racist towards Chinese.

generalized comment ! = racism

BUT

generalized racial offensive accusation about Chinese = racism towards Chinese

Google can't help you with this equation, but simple logic and basic human decency will do.

 

Ah... I see. So the judgement of whether something is racism is relative to the intensity of the comments. Eseentially, calling anybody racist is the bonus, making me automatically racist. Can I say that Nazis were racists? Or does that make me a racist?

And if I say all Chinese people smell like apple pie, then is that not racist? (er... unless I really hate apple pie, in which case it is?) What about the standard, "All asians are smart." sterotype? Is that racism or no?

In any case that doesn't really seem to fit in line with the definitions that I am familiar with. But to each his own. I will agree that by your definition of racism I must be. I just don't care for your particular definition, and think it makes no sense at all. But like I said, to each his own.

As for me 'trying so hard' to defend my 'racism', my motivation is that I'm actually enjoing you try to retrofit what appears to me to be an emotionaly driven defense of all things China into a logical framework. If I'm enjoying myself, is that hard work?

 

I just saw your edited version. Even better, now you are saying while Chinese in China are racists, innocent Chinese children IN AMERICA are not, and you haven't given up hope on them, and they will become less racists under great influence of America? How generous of you, Sir!

I find it funny how people like you using Hong Kong Chinese to show how democratic they are when comparing to Mainland Chinese, but willingly and intentionally using a Cantonese term "foreign devils" to label people from China as racists. Have you been to China? Did you feel they are racists towards you, whatever race you may be. Do you have African American friends? Did any one of them shared own experience with you that Chinese were racists towards them?

Why don't you run a search on my posts to find out where I call any nation or any ethnic group racists or throwing any generalized attacks?

 

so is Yao Ming a racist?

 

Oh, you felt so wrongly criticized, poor Ottomaton. If you can call Nazis racists, you can certainly call Chinese racists? That's your reasoning? So Chinese are not only racists, but Nazis like racists?

You can certainly enjoy that, and you don't need to care about whatever definition not suiting you. You can call Chinese racists or whatever other names you find amusing. This is a free board in a free country.

It's sometimes quite challenging to remain civil. You have a nice day.

 

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My guess would be the exposure to different cultures early on probably eliminated any cultural biases that he might have started out with, if he had any.

 

My point is that you seem to think that by calling someone a racist I am being a racist. My hope was that I could come up with a group that we could both agree is racist and not offend you. That way, we could agree that sometimes calling someone a racist doesn't automatically make you a racist as well. But you seem more interested in your anger at the moment. I think if I posted right now that the sky is blue, you'd come back with a scathing rebuttal on how it is clearly green.

 

But by your argument you are then saying his family in China is racist then?

 

Please stop insulting your own intelligence. Calling someone racist != Calling a country racist.

Calling a country racist based on a few isolated incidents, without any personal experience, nor he says and she says kind of stories, is a very racist thing to do. Of course that's my definition according to you.

No, you can't come up with a country that I would agree with you to label them generally as racists. But, what do I know?