The Heat might, but Brand wouldn't. He's in line for a max deal; why would he cancel that? Other thoughts: 1. Aelliott, I thought the deal with matching an offer sheet was you had to match all the essential terms of the agreement. I wouldn't think you'd get to throw in an extra clause for a sign-and-trade because it isn't in the offer sheet. 2. If Clippers do match, won't Brand by a base-year compensation player? If so, he'd be very hard to trade. Add on top of that his trade-kicker and he's even harder to trade. Not that teams would flinch at his value, but constructing a deal that fit under the CBA would be hard. 3. Bashing ROCKET!!! for his insiderness here is stupid. I know the history, but he didn't glean his info from any sources for this thread; he just read the newspaper and made predictions from there. If you're going to bash ROCKET!!! in every thread he posts in, whether he claims to be an insider or not, it's going to get very tiresome. I'd hate to have to add you to my ignore list over something so petty. Here's an idea, add ROCKET!!! to your ignore list so no one will have to contend with the problem again.
1.) That's my interpretation as well. 2.) More than likely, the Clips will be under the cap, so BYC won't be an issue. Because they're under the cap, they could even probably take on the extra salary to allow the other team to "absorb" the trade kicker. But of course, the problem in that is exactly that- taking on more salary. I must say though, the "frontloading" (via maxing out signing bonuses) isa pretty good deterrent from any ideas of the Clippers "Marc Jackson-ing" Brand. He can't be traded until after Oct. 31, and if these reports are right, the Clips would have already had to fork over 1/4 of the entire contract through the signing bonus. FWIW, Aldridge said on Sportscenter that the "buzz" around the league is the Clippers will match, bc Sterling already had a 6 year offer on the table. Still, I bet the Clips don't say a word for awhile- the Clips will kindly thank Miami by forcing them out of the FA market for the next 2 weeks.
How does Brand's deal affect the clipper cap? Is it 13.5 mil or more?Same with Spaggetti? What would the total payroll be if both were matched and signed? here's patricia's for last yr, removing released, Miller, Piat : Elton Brand ................ $4,895,656 now 13.5 Lamar Odom ................. $3,557,585 [now 6 on 1yr tender] Sean Rooks ................. $2,640,000 Corey Maggette ............. $2,069,764 [ now 7.5 on match? Chris Wilcox ............... $1,922,520 Wang Zhizhi ................ $1,900,000 Keyon Dooling .............. $1,769,760 Marko Jaric ................ $1,750,000 Melvin Ely ................. $1,490,120 Quentin Richardson ......... $1,174,080 Cherokee Parks ............. $824,935 [minimum, counts $637,435] Tremaine Fowlkes ........... $512,435 Add - draft pick Kamen - 3 mil? Total/ with bolds : 42.4 If LO gets a max offer sheet - payroll on match is 49.9 Still - less than Rockets!
I would look now more at the possibility of acquiring Lamar Odom. He won't want to re-sign in La-La land with Brand gone (no way in hell Sterling hands over a $28,000,000 check, or even $12,000,000 or whatever it would be; I don't understand the intricacies of the front-loaded contract Falk is negotiating). Cat could replace Maggette, EG could kinda replace Brand (especially as Wilcox gets better, they could platoon at the 4). Brand is gone. And I'm glad he'll be in the East (fingers crossed). Now, do we entice Riley to trade Brian Grant, or is that contract a deal-breaker?
Is Sterling liquid enough to write a $28 million check to Brand? As cheap as he is, you would think he has a war chest built up. Does anyone know his business background?
Look for some sort of a Marxist/Born Again Post in the Hangout. In other posts you'll notice an atheist bashing other religions in the style of a fundamentalist. That's all for now. j/k JV. It has actually come to my attention that Rocket!!! is an insider. I'll drop it. Sorry for everything Rocket!!!, it's all good... I owe you a beer!!! Again, I didn't know. Do you think the thing might happen.
<I>1. Aelliott, I thought the deal with matching an offer sheet was you had to match all the essential terms of the agreement. I wouldn't think you'd get to throw in an extra clause for a sign-and-trade because it isn't in the offer sheet.</i> You do have to match the essential terms of the contract offer. The sign and trade information is a separate document, it's not part of the contract. I'm guessing that the deciding factor would be when the NBA deems a contract to have been signed. If signing an offer sheet is considered signing a contract, then you couldn't S&T the player. If the contract isn't official until the ROFR team matches, then I don't see why they couldn't include a S&T form into the deal as long as they had Brand's permission. Nothing I've read refers to a signed offer sheet as being a signed contract, so that's what I was basing my interpretation on. <i> 2. If Clippers do match, won't Brand by a base-year compensation player? If so, he'd be very hard to trade. Add on top of that his trade-kicker and he's even harder to trade. Not that teams would flinch at his value, but constructing a deal that fit under the CBA would be hard. </i> As NIDE said, the Clips are around $20M under the minumum team salary, let alone the cap. They can sign Brand and Maggette without them becoming BYC players. I think the Clips will match for Brand and Maggette. I also agree with NIKE that the Clippers will take the full 15 days to match the offers. That will lock up all of Miami's cap space and a good chunk of Utah's while most other free agents are being signed and taken off the market. The one name player that might be left is Odom.If they do retain Brand and Maggette, then it will be open season on Odom. Somebody will take the chance that Sterling won't fork over any more money.
82 mil for 6 years is too much for Brand. He is not worth it. I think Miami is making another mistake. Either way it is a good news for us. If Clippers matchs the offer, Brand pose no threat to anyone, including Rox. If Heat gets him, he will go East, not much concern again. This is much better than either Jazz or Spurs gets him. With most quality FA gone, can we assume Jazz is out of playoff run next season?
Brand is more than worth the max. He's one of the best young PFs in the league and consistantly one of the quietest, most underrated players in the league. Would you rather have him at the max or Antoine Walker, for instance, at the max?
Alright, I think this is where we differ in terms of interpretation. My interpretation is based on the fact that an offer sheet is binding- if the original team does not match, then the player goes to the team he signed the offer sheet with. Perhaps it's a loophole in the CBA, but it just wouldn't make sense to me for a player to have a binding agreement with one team, and then for another team to step in with a sign and trade and basically side step the offer sheet. The sign and trade is a clause which nullifies the contract if the trade part is not made (so as to prevent a team from being unscrupulous). Can the original team add to an offer sheet? I was under the impression that the original team must agree to the same basic terms. I wonder though, if they can exceed them? Odom is such an odd situation. He's been so quiet. One rumor says Riley will sign him to an offer sheet if the Clips match on Brand, another says the Clips have been talking to him about being extended. I'm kinda surprised a team hasn't come in, and put together a full MCE package with the same kind of up front money to force the Clippers to deal wit all 4 RFAs at the same time. I read an article today, if the Clippers match on Brand, Maggette, and Miller, they'd have to pay those 3 something like 56 million by October 15. Any owner would turn pale looking at that, not just Sterling.
The Clips IMO will match Brand and Maggette, they will not match Dre. Odom is either way. One sure way they would sign him is they only had to match an MCE level salary--that would be a mistake on Odoms part. His best option is waiting for the Clips to match Maggette and Brand, and then talk with Miami, Denver and whoever has has some money avaiable for a Maggette sized or bigger contract--than maybe the Clips won't match if they already have matched for Maggette.
I think, 15 days from now, Clips match Mags, let Brand walk. Ha ha, suck on that, Miami. You pay that thing. Miller walks. They will resign Odom up to 8, maybe 9. Just a guess. Rox can't play until it's S&T time. Clips won't play S&T till 15 days. Rox need to let Clips know they will give up Cat, EG, Rice for Odom. Doesn't look like another cap team will bid for him b4 then. Not Denver, not Miami, maybe SA? I don't think SA will, cause they have this character jones. They should, though. Same with Utah, xcept they have 100 sfs already. no pg though. Rox may have a chance. Sit and wait. I think I like SAR better and better. At 3 or 4 or both.
Apparently Clippers have decided to match for Brand. It's on LA Times now. I know this all along. As cheap as Sterling is, he will match when it's crystal clear that loads of teams want the player and that player is worth it. And Brand is worth the max.
What is it with you, Newgirl? what is your price? $100? People are suggesting S&T. With that contract, it is almost certain that we will not be able to keep Yao. If we do this, why didn't offer $32 mil to PJ? That is much better deal. How many other teams would offer him that much money? Not many. Are you going to say all these managers are cheaper than Sterling? None of Heat's recent huge acquisition paid off, and I think they are making another mistake.
