Exactly. People are obsessed with having “new” things. Making a trade or acquiring a player means you’re doing “something” regardless of what that is. There’s no chance I’d trade our roster for what Miami has even if you just gave them Bradley Beal.
Wall is a player who relied on his quickness, and now he's coming off an Achilles injury and will miss a good chunk of the upcoming season. Factor in that his surliness has alienated teammates and that he's still owed close to 7 BILLION DOLLARS or something in his remaining years. If there was ever a clear-cut tim to give up one star to dump another so you can tank, this franchise is staring at it.
Clear long term cap space? For draft considerations from Miami? That knocks the Wizards out of having to pay 90 million dollars to John Wall years from now. I have wondered in the past, If Tilman said "yes", would the Rockets do that type of deal? The Rockets would lose Paul but gain Beal and Wall.
To get out of the cap hell that is their franchise. Take a look at their roster, it's really bad. No matter what they do, they will suck for the next two years. In two years Beal will be gone. If they just want to reboot and start over then this would escalate their rebuild by a couple of years. They'd probably be bad enough to get a couple of really high picks over that time period. If I were them, while I was waiting for all these deals to expire, I'd be looking to sell off anything that a team would give me picks or young players for. I'd also be looking to facilitate any trade that I could to further build up a stash of picks and young guys. After two years, they could have some pretty nice assets and a ton of cap space. Of course they are the Wizards so a) they may decied to just add to the Wall/Beal combo thinking that they will win or b) still screw it up even if they have picks and cap space.
I believe that it's technically ony $6.2 Billion that he's owed. Yeah, you are exactly right. Beal will walk in two more seasons. If trading him gets you out of Wall's contract and escalates your rebuild by a couple of years then it's certainly something you have to think about (assuming that Miami would really do that deal).
So...if they're gonna be bad for a couple years (and I pretty much agree) then the thing for them to do is trade Beal for actual value...an expiring..youngsters and draft picks. And just let Wall sit. And let a youngster (Herro) develop for a couple years. Then if Wall makes it back...they're good again. They're not going to get anybody to sign here 2 years from now with cap space and a subpar team that is young. But they could use some of those extra picks they got for trading Beal to move Wall out later if necessary. A lob lolly trade where all Washington gets back is some combination of James Johnson, Kelly Olynk, and Waiters...doesn't help them do anything.
Except that under that scenario Wall is a boat anchor on your cap for 4 more years. Also, you want to be bad as possible for the next two years to improve your draft stock. I guess it depends on how you view Wall's value. Even if he were to return to 100% of his former self, I don't think he's worth anything close to the value of his contract. If you value Wall more than I do, then I can see your point. I obvioiusly don't have a high opinion of him...even when healthy. Johnson, Olynyk and Waiters would be nothing more than expiring contracts. Their value isn't about how they'd help the team.
I don't have a high opinion of Wall either. He's a losing player. And I think he'll remain so even after his injury unless he changes his mindset. The talent is there but he's another Westbrook mentally. Just doesn't approach the game nor his team in the leadership fashion he needs to build a winner. WIth all that said...Beal is a legit superstar. And worth a lot in trade value to a contender. Beal is a better player than Butler is. He's younger, more talented, and a better head. I find it very difficult to believe he actually wants to play with Butler. Very difficult to believe. But he'd probably prefer Miami short term to staying in Washington. And the thing is once that asset is gone...Washington isn't guaranteed anything even in the lottery. And on the other end....for Miami to give up everything for Beal and Wall....clogs their cap up from here on out. They have no method to upgrade. Picks are all gone until 2026. Can't trade Wall. Stuck with Beal for 2 years and then he walks. It's a whole lotta nothing. But..there are possibilities............ For instance.............Goran, Herro, and Bam might be enough to get Beal...maybe. And if Miami could clear out cap in the process of dealing for Beal...to a third team...clearing out James Johnson, Olynk, Waiters....and..........Winslow...for expiring deals to go alongside Butler/Beal...then they might have something working. Especially if they went ahead and tanked it out this season and came up with a nice lottery pick to go along with their cap space in 2020. Just a thought. Butler, Beal, Draymond, Lowry...that's a nice team.
Beal is really good but I don't view him as a superstar. If you're going to go the route of trading Beal for the best return possible then Miami isn't the right trade partner. If I were just going to try and flip Beal for the most assets that I could then I'd be on the phone with Boston or New Orleans. There's multiple possiblities out there and I'm sure that Washington will end up doing something completely different.
Man, you're tough. At age 24....his numbers compare very favorably with Harden's at age 24 for sure. And he's a better defender than Harden was at that age. I mean....really??? I think he's easily a group 2 superstar. Group 1 Harden Giannis Kawhi AD KD* (injured) Steph Lebron George*(injured) Group 2 Luka Damian Beal Kemba Klay Jokic Kemba Embiid That's a superstar in my book. I think you're right.
Probably different definitions of Superstar. I don't consider anyone in that second group to be a superstar. In fact, I wouldn't even include Vucevic in with that 2nd group.
Theres a whole bunch. Middleton for example. I'm guessing that you never considered Parsons a superstar, right? He's a max guy.
