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METRO Claims 3rd Victim, Continues to Terrorize Houstonians

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Dec 19, 2003.

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  1. Smokey

    Smokey Member

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    My memory disagrees. Both signs were of "normal" size.

    NO LEFT TURN....ONE WAY <---....STREET LIGHTS

    People who can't comprehend simple street signs shouldn't be driving.
     
    #61 Smokey, Dec 22, 2003
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Congratulations, you just figured out a solution to our congestion problem! You just removed 35% of all Houstonians from the roads with this proposed piece of legislation.

    Sam - I find your argument regarding busses versus trains to be incredibly naive. First, how do you account for the high level of activity on Manhattan's bus lines? There is no better way to go cross-town. None. Why doesn't Manhattan adopt an above-ground light rail, if people would be more willing to use it? Answer: there exists no evidence that they would. Your argument is weakened severely. Second, given the impossibility of building a subway in Houston, the relevance of the subway comparison is removed. The comparison here is *above ground* rail versus busses. Let's not lose sight of that.
     
    #62 El_Conquistador, Dec 22, 2003
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I'd be willing to guess that the reason that New York doesn't adopt above ground rail is because they already have a successful below ground rail system. Not because it wouldn't work.

    It works in Chicago.
     
    #63 Rocketman95, Dec 22, 2003
  4. Jeff

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    But seriously, TJ, you can stop fighting the good fight now. Light rail passed. The campaign ended in November. No matter what you say or do, light rail will continue to be built in the city of Houston. Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy. :)
     
    #64 Jeff, Dec 22, 2003
  5. bigtexxx

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    Define what you mean by "works". Does it mean it's profitable? Does it mean that there is no congestion on Chicagoland freeways (heh)? Does it mean it "looks cool"? Does it mean that taxpayers are getting their money's worth? I'M CONFUSED
     
    #65 bigtexxx, Dec 22, 2003
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Everything the city builds isn't supposed to be profitable. Streets aren't profitable, Sewage systems aren't profitable, Libraries aren't profitable. The only debate is does it make the city a better place to live.
     
    #66 pgabriel, Dec 22, 2003
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Congrats, your party was able to successfully divert attention away from the cost effectiveness of the program and sell some dreamy prototype train to the uninformed public. This is not something to take pride in. This project will cripple Houston's transportation infrastructure for decades. I have already announced my intentions of moving. No doubt, others will follow suit upon learning this news.

    I guarantee you there will be another vote on light rail at some point. While we may be stuck with the current plans, there will surely be expansion projects or add-ons that will require votes. It is important to educate people so that they learn from their mistakes.
     
    #67 El_Conquistador, Dec 22, 2003
  8. Rocketman95

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    I think it works in Chicago for two reasons.

    With the astounding amount of growth in the suburbs, if there was no rail, people working downtown wouldn't make it there in less than two hours from some parts. While there is still congestion on the highways, it's not as bad as it would be if there weren't numerous trains packed with professionals every morning and afternoon. This has also worked in reverse. Because of the train, my Dad worked with many people who lived downtown, but worked in the suburbs. All of them took the train into work. In turn, this has also allowed for the tremendous growth in the suburbs of Chicago.

    I also think it works because people can also afford to live closer to downtown without worrying about paying for parking for their automobiles. I have a friend who lives in Wrigleyville and can easily get to his job downtown without the benefit of a car. He can take the bus to the nearest El station, and be at work within 15 minutes. Whereas, if he didn't have these options, it'd take him a lot longer to get to work. A mobile workforce is a good thing.
     
    #68 Rocketman95, Dec 22, 2003
  9. SamFisher

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    It is naive, and not entirely rational as well. However, I'm simply stating it as a matter of personal preference, and I know others that are the same. There's something inherently less appealing about taking a bus; if you're going to be on the streets anyway, you might as well take a cab or walk.

    It has nothing to do with it being above ground or below ground, as somebody pointed out either. It's more of a sense of being removed from normal traffic.
     
    #69 SamFisher, Dec 22, 2003
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Jeff, I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts regarding the large bonus paid to Shelly DiLibero, the out-going President of Metro. Given Metro's impressive string of failures, I'm curious as to the rationale for rewarding this incredibly horrible performance.

    GRAFT
     
    #70 El_Conquistador, Dec 22, 2003
  11. flamingmoe

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    best news i've heard all day

    :)

    no seriously, why do you hate Houston so much?

    you are obsessed with keeping this city stuck with a 1930's mass transport model.

    you lack any kind of forward thinking. you think NY or Chicago's great and effective mass transport systems just sprung up over night? You think that while they were being built they ran into no problems? (safety, economic, or time related).
     
    #71 flamingmoe, Dec 22, 2003
  12. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I hate to break this to you, but the train was the transportation model of the 1800's.

    CHOO CHOO
     
    #72 El_Conquistador, Dec 22, 2003
  13. TL

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    It gets me to work safely, consistently and fairly quickly.

    It works.
     
    #73 TL, Dec 22, 2003
  14. flamingmoe

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    i said mass transport model - learn to read

    what was houston's solutions to mass transport during the 30's-60's (for the sake of argument)

    building bigger freeways and more busses

    and look at the result of that glorious policy.

    your solution is to keep the same polluting, do-nothing policy that has turned out city into a dirty-parking lot
     
    #74 flamingmoe, Dec 22, 2003
  15. flamingmoe

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    ps.

    not to mention that you only lower your own reputation and intelligence by pretending that light-rail commuter systems and coal-burning cargo hauling trains of the 1800's are remotely the same thing
     
    #75 flamingmoe, Dec 22, 2003
  16. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Yes, I agree. There will be a massive influx of new Houstonians shortly after your departure.
     
    #76 B-Bob, Dec 22, 2003
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    OK, now that was funny.
     
    #77 ima_drummer2k, Dec 22, 2003
  18. KingCheetah

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    How could this travesty happen to the intelligent people living in H-Town...?

     
    #78 KingCheetah, Dec 22, 2003
  19. ROXTXIA

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    Back away from your computer. Congressman DeLay needs you to go fetch him some coffee.
     
    #79 ROXTXIA, Dec 22, 2003
  20. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    The first step is understanding the problem, hope this helps T_J...

     
    #80 KingCheetah, Dec 22, 2003
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