Message to the Fakers and their fans............You're still soft.

Agreed. This needs to be made into a huge banner and be on full display tomorrow night.

Make it happen Morey!

 

The difference between the Lakers and the Rockets is the difference between being Hollywood tough and being 3rd Ward tough. I think Slim Thug captured the Lakers best:

"A lot of rap *****z be trying to play hard
Knowing damn well that they lying and they fraud
They talk that hard sh-t when somebody press record
When there's beef in the streets they run to their body guard"

 

Your assesment on Kobe is pretty dead on with what I believe. Though I don't think Kobe is stupid enough to elbow Artest in the face on a meaningless play. If you think that's the most physical those two have gotten in their careers - think again.

And Fisher's shot is hard to argue as a "cheapshot." I see a suspension coming.

 

Yeah, it's not like Kobe has a history of throwing cheap elbow shots or anything.

And by the way, in order to rebound, there will be some physical contact between players. Doesn't give anyone the right to lift a bent elbow towards someone's head.

 

Kobe's entire body is turning towards getting the ball. It's not like it's a standstill elbow. It WAS an elbow none the less. People are acting like it was a complete cheapshop. I'd disagree... but I'll actually - GASP - give Artest the benefit of the doubt. He says it's the first time Kobe's ever elbowed him.

 

are you r****ded?

They were both fighting for the rebound. if Artest was being physical, Kobe was being physical. They had their hands on each other. In that case that's a PF on both players.

None of that precipitates an elbow to the throat by either player. He either swung (as you can see from the replay) or he didn't. Typing "overdone" doesn't even make literal sense in this case. Are you typing random words?

Stop posting this trash. GTFO

 

I think the biggest issue is that no one, other than him, seems to be throwing elbows. That's twice now by my count that he purposely threw an elbow. Obviously by Artest's reaction (getting contorted backwards after the hit) it wasn't just an elbow in the chest. It would take a lot more than that for Artest to be falling back like that.

Physical is one thing, but throwing elbows can be dangerous.

 

Oh please. It ain't reffed the same both ways. How about the next time Kobe takes the ball into lane and jumps all over Yao's body, Yao Ming elbows him back in the same manner and there is no foul called? Lakers fans would be asking for the ref's head. However, Yao just jumps straight up and gets called for the foul.

 

There are basketball plays.
There are dirty basketball plays (flopping, shoving in the back)
There are intimidation plays (see Kobe kneeing/elbowing Shane)


and then there are things done with the intention to cause physical harm to someone. What Fisher did to Scola falls into this category. What Kobe did to Ron is a combination of the last 3.

 

One some Lakers fans would be pissed.

As for the elbow, I guess it comes down to this - if you think that's what Kobe needed to do to match Artest's physicality; think again. These two have been MUCH more physical in the past (going back to Kings/Lakers days).

I'm not arguing there was an elbow thrown, I do however, honestly believe, Kobe didn't intentionally throw it and believe him sort've turning towards the ball WITH ELBOW up may save him a suspension.

 

Again though...he has a history of throwing elbows and making it look like a basketball play. His flinging arms after a jumpshot to hit people and make it look like his 'follow through' is dirty. His elbow on Battier was dirty. His elbow on Ron was also dirty.

With respect, you don't have much ground to stand on when your player has a history of acting like this.

 

The flailing arms is BS. Did you know the next night after one of those suspensions, Brian Cook did the SAME exact thing and there was no suspension - bet you didn't; same with LeBron. But that's ok, Kobe is dirty.

Artest has a history of doing stupid things. So his cutthroat action should warrant a suspension then, right?

It's true, but it's irrelevant.

I am arguing intent.

 

Kobe Bryant is doing his best to destroy his image in one series.

 

Playing dirty doesn't mean you're tough.

 

That was when they were fighting for position a good second before the elbow was thrown. Nice try buddy. Can someone ban this D-bag? We don't want trolls on this board.

 

You have to concede Kobe threw an elbow and knee at Battier on a meaningless play in game 1.

 

Actually Jordan is widely known to be one of the most trash talking players ever. Not sure about the cheap shots, but we're probably being very naive to believe it never happened.

I hate Kobe too, but, just sayin.

 

He's coming in here and being respectful. No ban is warranted. Just because you don't like his opinion doesn't make him a troll. Go check the Lakers forums. There's plenty of us Clutchfans over there, too.

 

That wasn't a cutthroat action Artest was making....he was saying that he got elbowed, and he made the movement that Kobe did on the play. The only reason Artest got ejected was because the situation was already escalated by Fisher's b****ass.

And if you're arguing INTENT, then wasn't it clear on the play that Kobe's INTENT was to elbow Artest while fighting for a rebound? It wasn't a basketball play, and there's no place for it. I don't think he will get suspended for it, but that's twice now in this series he's pulled this crap. The next time he does it, don't think he's gonna walk away clean.

And Kobe ABSOLUTELY has a history of sneaking in cheap elbows on players ALL THE TIME. It's not a coincidence that he's gotten into so many fights in his career....the thing is, he normally does it to guys like Doug Christie, Chris Childs, Manu, and Shane Battier....guys he knows won't retaliate. This time though, he did it to the wrong person.