Some truth to that. If we really need to parse and correct my use of the word loophole because loophole implies the lack of intent of the framers thats fine. My read on the EC was that it ultimately got supported not because the framers distrusted Democracy but because they distrusted Congress to represent their state populations’ vote appropriately. I think they were right to ensure people like Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene wouldn’t have that much power. Still there was also intent by some to preserve slave state power after the Connecticut Compromise. So yeah it’s not accurate to call it a loophole I’ll admit because there certainly was intent by some of the framers for sure.
The Framers very much distrusted direct democracy. Originally the electors weren't even voted on by citizens of the states but were chosen by the state legislators. That is why some Republican legislators have argued that they could just ignore the results of elections in their own states and let the legislators send their own slate of electors.
What's ironic is that the hallowed framers didn't want someone like Andrew Jackson come into power, yet that's what happened within many of their lifetime. They even did their best to screw him out of one nomination. The whole WWTFD is a mix of hokum and our own willing suspension of disbelief.
Yet at the same time during their era it was pretty revolutionary. We are almost damaged by the fact that we went first. Especially in Europe many of those countries have had the benefit of time to design a better democracy. Yet you still have countries like Poland and Hungary still unable to resist fascism.
I admit it's harsh for a non lawyer/constitutionalist to glibly dismiss that narrative in its entirety. Just wanted to comment that Andy Jackson's loss to Adams was from the loophole you mentioned even though it'd be typical horsetrading to form a majority in Parliaments.
It’s 2021…. The reason the US is weak is because loser states like West Virginia can obstruct and hold things up and loser rural areas can override population centers.
You replied to me initially and you clearly said it was “split” when it is clearly a majority. The number of GOP candidates that don’t openly bend the knee to Trump are getting purged out or retiring. What GOP candidate would be doing the best in your district?
I've felt and sometimes act out on this but the demographics aren't that clear cut. For one thing, people voted in Biden but didn't increase Dem margins in House or Senate. He practically had to win the Senate with hail mary runoffs a month later. Haven't done research on when the last time this happened before for a non-incumbent but that does not scream Mandate for his party. The other thing is that the United States is a huge nation with several different regional interests. You could break it up into 5 or 6 different pieces and still not come up with a unifying identity for each of them. Every city and state shares it's own 'rural' vs 'urban' tensions with funding and resources at stake. The Constitution is a nice punching bag for these frustrations but it's really our inability to work together that leads people to resort through law or force to get their message across.
Who cares about who does the best... Now you just arguing for the sake of it... Again my point is... you can't lump all Republicans together the same as you can't lump all Democrats together.... T_Man
Fair enough. Ultimately humans are the issue regardless of the system. However, W Virginia would do well to just mind it's own business with how much federal money it receives.
Whatever man. You are the one who claimed the Republican party was split when that is objectively not true based on the polling.
