Memphis Thinks They got the Worst of the BATTIER/GAY Trade!!

Durvasa, that grizz team never won a playoff game. How do u not even win a playoff game? If u put shane on that team, are they going to become a 50 win team? Gasol got hurt, fired their coach, traded posey, changed styles, gasol sulked and now this is where they are.

 

Posey was traded a year earlier.

They didn't win a playoff game because they weren't good enough. That's no more an argument to keep away from Battier as it is to keep away from Gasol. And no, I don't think putting Shane on the Grizzlies would make them a 50 win team. I think they'd find a way to win at least 30, though. Veteran leadership on the defensive end would do that team some good.

 

assuming battier continues to get healthy, i'd redo that trade every day of the week. gay just isn't that impressive. it's not hard to see that battier has contributed more to winning than rudy gay has. that's an inarguable fact.

i'd take oj mayo though.

 

yeah, oj seems to the only real deal in this past draft class among the top picks. rose and beaseley look a notch under so far.

 

Rose is the real deal. I never liked beasly cuz he doesn't have a position. Like I said, it wasn't a knock against shane, but I know we couldve gotten more for the 8 pick.

 

i'd take rose before mayo. he may be better than beasley though.

 

WHAT A BULL***** IS THIS THREAD

 

Chill dude ... Memphis wants Battier back and they are willing to give us Gay instead, it's just another trade thread

 

DEAL!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! NO TAKE BACKS!!!

 

This post sums up my thoughts on this issue perfectly. Thanks durvasa.

 

the memphis fans are wrong. but then again rocket fans who think we got robbed are way wrong too.

memphis got what they asked for - a young guy who can score and give you a lot of athleticism. the rockets got a consummate professional and someone who can take defensive responsibility off of tracy. and to get it done, memphis had to absorb stromile's bad contract.

all of the recent moves the rockets FO has made would not have been possible without ditching stro's salary. so he would have cost you landry, possibly scola, probably deke . . .

it was a good trade for both sides. once you take your blinders off.

 

We've been through this dozens of times before. And you still refuse to accept the fact that your entire reference points are apples and oranges.

The playersa (and their career-type years) Battier had surrounding him in MEM and the coaching of Hubie Brown FAR surpasses anything Rudy Gay has had as a Grizzlie. You know the details as well as I do but are blinded by the BS of +/- stats.

 

You want to attribute the Grizzlies 49 win season in 05/06 to the coaching they receive two seasons prior with Hubie Brown? Alright ...

And I'm curious what career-type years you're talking about in 05/06. Battier was second on the team in minutes played, blocks, steals, and offensive boards. One could say he had a career-type year. Perhaps you're thinking of James Posey, but he left the team in the preceding year (when they won 45 games). Were Gasol and Miller, ostensibly their "best" players, so much better in 05/06 than they were in 06/07?

I'm left with accepting the premise that Eddie Jones, their half-season PGs Atkins and Stoudamire, and Mike Fratello's coaching FAR (not just FAR, FAR) surpassed what they had in 06/07.

 

It was the best trade for both teams at the time. Grizzlies were rebuilding so they got the young player...Rockets were trying to build an immediate contender so they got the solid, proven veteran. Not much else to discuss.

Hindsight isn't even 20/20 on this because there are too many other factors that contributed to the Rockets inability to become true championship contenders, and there are too many factors contributing to the Grizzlies not improving one iota since the trade.

Everything else is just biased opinions.

That being said, my biased opinion is the Rockets would have lost more games over the last few years if they had Gay instead of Battier. His defense, leadership, smart play and ability to spread the other team's defense with his 3-point shooting was more valuable to the Rockets than I could ever imagine Rudy Gay being.

The Rockets were never going to be a running team, and we already had T-Mac as a superior play maker, so I have hard time picturing what Gay's role would have been.

 

Unless the Rockets achieve real playoff success with Battier, or the Grizzlies become something other than a terrible team with Gay, I don't think I can call it a good trade for either team. Neither team has gotten what they wanted, yet.

 

nail on the head

 

Why does clutchfans always always always always forget that we dumped Stromile swift on them?

Seriously?

Wrap your brains around that. It is significant that we dumped significant salary on them.

We had to pay the grizzlies their 2nd rounder to dump Steve Francis on them, and we complained it was too much.

The spurs dumped salary on us along with Scola...and it has handicapped us somewhat, and we complain about that.

We got to dump Stro Swift for free...and we still complain?

clutchfans can do better than that.

 

Umm OJ isn't the only real deal in this past draft.

 

Forget about the trade already. When Battier is healthy like last year, I would take him every time over Rudy Gay. Remember the first game of the season last year ? Remember the playoffs last year ? Remember this year's Lakers game ? Battier is clutch and was one of the sparks in last year's playoffs. Remember 7/7 FGs in Game 1 ? Think about that when you question the trade.

 

If neither team achieves success the Grizzlies clearly, CLEARLY got the better end of this deal. In the near future, we'd be left with an old role player while they'd have an athletic young scorer (i.e. more trade value).