And? It's not like spanish players have a history of being boys early on and turning into men (physically speaking) later in the NBA. They tend not to weight train and rely more on skill than physicality. Rubio's missing consistent shooting and I dont think shooting is a skill that's always going to be improved just by practicing more and more. Good shooters usually have always been good shooters. The bad have always been bad. Yeah there's exceptions like a Karl Malone and you can always perfect or polish your form and add increase your %, but it the change in % usually isn't large enough to bump you into the next level of shooters. And shooting mechanics change even less and right now he's more of a set shooter. I can see him being a jason kidd type, but Kidd's bigger body helped him a lot and he was probably stronger as a young player than Rubio is/will be.
The only way we absorb a contract is to unload McGrady. That's in addition to us having the #2 pick. So that means to get the #2 pick, the Rockets are probably gonna trade Artest. Get the #2 pick, and then ship that with McGrady to LA for a bad contract and Griffin. Rockets won't have a SG and they're gonna be strapped for cash.
Tony Parker couldn't shoot the ball when he came into the league at I think 19yrs old. Now look at Parker. Im not worried at all about Rubios shot.
Exactly. Rubio's shot will come. A PG like him does not get all of this hype out of thin air. He's legit. And unlike a lot of previous PG's, Rubio has proven himself overseas/in the Olympics, ie, against stiff competition. Rubio is going to end up being the real deal
I never said he was inexperienced. RV6 was discussing his deficiencies to which you replied "LOL. He's freaking 18 years old." I have no problem with Rubio but if we trade to pick him he'd better be able to produce despite being "freaking 18 years old".
We can't trade Artest to the Grizzlies because it would have to be a S&T and no way Memphis is going to want to pick up a long term contract (reason why they're not going to absorb any of LAC's contracts) It's going to probably be a combination of Landry and/or Brooks and/or Barry to get the pick done. Of course, picking up a contract like Jaric is going to be something we might have to do. Take the #2 pick and package it with McGrady's contract for #1, Camby, and Kaman. Of course that Kaman contract is nasty but you gotta break some eggs. Yao/Camby Scola/Kaman Battier/Griffin Artest Lowry/Brooks(if he's not shipped out)/Jaric We'd be thin at SG like you had said but that's not like any other situation we've been in this past year. And that front line depth? It's heavy loaded with contracts but it would probably be one of the deepest and best frontcourt depth we've had in a long time.
While there is benefit to getting out from under Jaric's 2010-11 salary, the Grizzlies could easily find a line of other suitors who can offer a more attractive package in return in the way of less financial commitment for Memphis for next year and beyond. Many people don't seem to realize that T-Mac's contract (as an expiring contract trade chip, as opposed to as a good player) will be VERY difficult to trade. It is hard to match salaries for a contract that size without significantly altering a team's makeup. A $7-12M expiring contract is much more attractive, as it can be traded much more easily. That is why I would not be surprised to see Brent Barry ($2.0M expiring) or Brian Cook ($3.5M expiring) traded by the February trade deadline.
I like your reasoning, but Ron isn't good enough to get the number 2. He is a FA right now. It's highly unlikely that a S and T with him can be done very quickly after the draft as well. Griffin is the only can't miss player in this draft, but getting him on the Rockets is going to be very difficult IMO.
You're in LaLa land thinking we can get the #2 pick for Landry/Brooks. And or Barry?? Lol They're better off taking Rubio, the highly touted prospect themselves.
I understand that landing the #2 more then likely won't happen. All I'm getting at is, to aquire the #2 pick, the Rockets are going to have to deal TMac OR Artest. Once you figure that out, then you can start contemplating about a trade with LA No way we trade Yao or Scola. Battier and change isn't enough to get it done. Anything involving Brooks won't get it done either, since, the Grizzlies are better off drafting Rubio themselves.
hey i didn't say it was sane it's just if the Rockets are inquiring about the #2, there's no way the discussion had Yao or McGrady in it IMHO. It has to be young pieces that can gel with Conley/Mayo/Gay.
That's the thing. Its gotta be TMac or Artest. The thing with TMac is, Memphis already has cap space. They don't need TMac. A team that trades for TMac is because of his expiring. That only leaves Artest left, since Yao and Scola won't be traded. Again, Battier isn't enough to get it done. Brooks too.
Well...Look at what the Lakers got for Gasol...you never know... I'm going to be pissed if the Celtics move up though. I hope we do, Maybe it's a Tmac/Brooks deal. I don't see us trading so far up to reach for Thabeet...
steddinotayto: i like your thinking with this. i wonder if landry and brooks would be enough to obtain the #2 pick. you would think that scola and brooks might be enough, but luis is older and i'm not sure memphis would be as interested. the #2 (rubio) and mcgrady should be able to get you griffin, baron davis, and kaman, given the reports that the clippers are shopping the #1 to unload some contracts. it would have to be kaman or randolph though. giving us camby defeats the entire purpose of this for the clippers.
I honestly would rather have the potential of Rubio than anyone on the Clippers. I think I know why we would want him, because he'll be able to really help Yao and other guys get their shots...from what I've seen of him he's a real playmaker, and when he played against PGs Deron Williams and Paul of Team USA, he didn't look outclassed at all... I think he's a franchise player, and we have ONE real franchise player on this team. The other one is always hurt and sometimes quits on the team...
Agreed. But here's my theory. Memphis has great 1st round picks for as long as I can remember. Thinking back - I mean, I can recall guys like Shane Battier, Pao Gasol, something something White, most recently Rudy Gay, back and when, dare I say it, Stromile Swift. Bottom line: they've always had picks, potential, but only b/c thye've never been able to stitch all the pieces together into something of a winning team. Instead, the franchise has forever been hemmoragging money. So they need some legit franchise player to sell tix. theSAGE
