if the front office is looking for a young athletic backup c, who can fill in if yao needs extra rest next season, i think hasheem would be perfect for the role. plus what more perfect a person could you find to follow in yao's footsteps then a skinny 7'3" guy with more hops and a longer wingspan, making him virtually 7'5" or 6"ish (yaos height). he could be our second coming of the tallest player in the nba. i think he can be a sick center in this league..
that's just being more restrictive with thabeet and stretching the truth with Rubio.....thabeet is a good defender and limited offensively, but rubio is not a great offensive player, he's a great passer. i'd say he's average defensively because although he's got good anticipation and a high IQ, he's slow laterally which would be exploited more in the NBA.
We have Brooks, he is our "LITTLE MAN".....and you do not pass up a unique athletic specimen like Thabeet in order to pick up a scrawny softie like Rubio simply becasue we need a 3rd String PG. That is beyond stupid.
A big reason for Rubio starting over Calderon in the spanish team is because Rubio is a better defender!
Hey, for all you know, Morey made a perfect simulated version of Rubio to put in his complex statistical modules, and he turned out to be a million times more efficient than Brooks. . .
See, if Sam hates the guy that is like the biggest tell he will be a good basketball player. Thabeet will be a decent pro, Rubio will be an all star. If we get the pick take the best player available at number 2....don't draft for need...take talent. DD
The last time you were this hot on a player he turned out to be J.J. Redick. Rubio might well be a decent player and be greater than Thabeet will ever even hope to be, but you are creating a logical trainwreck with your arguments in this thread in order to justify your preconceived notions.
Thabeet is somewhere between Roy Hibbert and Emeka Okafor. Rubio who knows, its tough to judge overseas talent until they get here.
You are absolutely kidding yourself. Assuming Brooks is included in the trade, this is a huge step backwards for the Rockets in 09-10. They maybe be way better going forward beyond this upcoming season, but there is no way they will be better in the short run. Rookies just don't instantly learn an offensive system, have the coaches confidence, and develop chemistry overnight.
That is exactly correct. Then you trade the player once your talent is developed enough to man that spot or you chance it and go ahead and let Brooks go for the pick. And I honestly think that Lowry will be here for awhile as long as he develops as planned. Morey has been high off his ass for this kid so he aint going anywhere unless some crazy deal pop ups involving him. I don't get people saying take Thabeet over Rubio just because we need a back up Center. If that was the case then Bulls would have taken Beasly last year since they already had Hinrich at PG. How dumb would that have been for the Bulls to take Beasly over Rose just because they were deep at the point. Crazies on this board sometimes.
Yes they do - as DaDakota repeatedly informed us, since European players play with MEN, they are FAR FAR more prepared to make an immediate impact, which is why Vasilios Spanoulis, in his words, was "more NBA-ready that Sam Cassell" since he was playing with MEN. That's why Spanoulis was so successful as a rookie, as opposed to Sam Cassell who only had a decade of high school, college, juco & AAU ball, and pick up games, at the highest possible levels on the biggest stages, to fall back on.
here's the difference between rose and rubio. rose was always a lock to go top 2 and towards the final weeks leading up to the draft he was a lock to go #1. Why? Because he's that good that no one was going to pass him up, NO ONE. Rubio on the other hand, was projected to go first over a year ago, then within the last year the talk is more "oh he's top 3", and now in the final weeks leading to the draft he won't crack the #1 spot, and is hanging around 2-5. Why? Because he's not a sure thing. If he was, maybe the clippers would pass him up since Griffin is a sure thing, but memphis wouldn't, OKC wouldn't.....sac is taking him to fill a void, so maybe even they would pass him up if they had a pg. If Rose was in this draft? Move over Baron...
Who says he's slow? Paul said he was good on defense because of his reach and anticipation. Rubio has been a great offensive player up into this point. Being a great passer, playing at the PG, and getting teammates involved is being great. You're saying Thabeet would help the Rockets out more offensively? How can Rubio be so slow yet so good on Fast Breaks at the same time? That's contradictory. Also Thabeet is near bad on Offense. If he wasn't a good dunker/finisher, he'd be HORRIBLE. As has been said many times, he gets points because of what his teammates do, because he's taller than everyone. Yet, he's been backed down and looks inconsistent against more skilled college players. Athleticism is overrated in basketball, it's a sport more about skills like soccer. You don't have to be the fastest, strongest, guy on the floor. You have to be the most skilled. Athleticism helps skilled players get better, but it's not the other way around. Just because you can run, jump, hopskip or whatever doesn't mean you can shoot, post-up, and have the IQ to play the game. You don't like Tyrus Thomas right? Thabeet could be Tyrus part two. Tyrus was one of those guys who shot up because of his athleticism. It makes him a good Athlethic player, with potential to be a good defender...but you were the one talking about how good Aldridge was right? Because Lamarcus came into the NBA with skills. Just like Roy, Just like Rudy, Just like Durant, all these guys came in the NBA with skills. You can't just toss aside those skills, they are more likely to transfer to the NBA over Athleticism. That's just fact, because there are tons of athletic players in the NBA. Every player Thabeet will go against will be 6'10 at least, and stronger most likely. I just dont see how he can help us out now more than Rubio.
But none of this matters. What scouts say now doesn't really matter. Great players are passed up every draft. No one is really a sure thing. I know one thing though, athletic prospects are for football.
I wrote he's slow laterally, i though that was well known, it's usually listed as one of his weaknesses on defense. No im not sayying thabeet would help more offensively, i'm just saying Rubio isn't a grat offensive player like you stated. At least when i think great offesnive player, i think someone who can actually score as well. I've never heard anyone call kidd a great offensive player. I just dont know how he can be great when he's not well rounded in different offensive areas. He can pass, set up, play pikc and roll, etc., but he's average when it comes to scoring on his own. Im not saying its necessary, but it's a weakness that keeps him from being great on offense. I wasn't disputing what you said about thabeet, it just seemed like you described it as strictly as you could and then described rubio a lot more loosely.. I actually like Tyrus as part of this team and as someone to pair up next to yao.
Hakeem was viewed as a can't miss, and was such a high prospect that he went ahead of MJ. Wasn't he the clear cut #1 in a strong draft? UCONN dude isn't considered to be a can't miss, or the best prospect in a weak draft. Not to mention, Hakeem and Ralph were skilled enough to be playes as a PF/C combo. Not so with Yao and UCONN.
