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Memphis Busted!

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Baseballa, May 27, 2009.

  1. Baseballa

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4210798

    Report: Player may have cheated on SAT
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    The Memphis men's basketball program has been charged by the NCAA with major violations during the 2007-08 season under former coach John Calipari, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reported on Wednesday.

    The allegations include "knowing fraudulence or misconduct" on an SAT exam by a player on the 2007-08 team.

    The wording of the report indicates the player in question only competed during the 2007-08 season and the 2008 NCAA tournament. The player's name was redacted in the report due to privacy laws, The Commercial Appeal reported.

    If the NCAA allegations are proven true, Memphis might have to forfeit their NCAA-record 38 victories and Final Four appearance.

    Memphis received the notice of allegations Jan. 16 and is scheduled to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions June 6.

    Calipari left Memphis for Kentucky on March 31. The NCAA has requested his presence at the hearing, although he is not named in the report.

    It is also alleged that Memphis provided $2,260 in free travel to road games for an associate of a player, The Commercial Appeal reported. The NCAA is charging Memphis with a failure to monitor.

    "We take it very seriously. We don't condone it," athletic director R.C. Johnson told the Commercial Appeal, who declined to comment in detail about the allegations. "We're doing a thorough investigation."
     
  2. Mike Hunt

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    lol still think Calipari is the best even with his recruiting allegations
     
  3. ItsMyFault

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    Derrick Rose
     
  4. BasketballReasons

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    Sounds more like Joey Dorsey lol
     
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    Joey Dorsey for SURE...
     
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    On ESPN they just said it was Derick Rose. I'm curious, if the College Board and the ETS didn't know he cheated right away, how was Memphis supposed to know?
     
  7. Major

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    If Calipari knew / was involved, does he get to walk away with no penalty? Or would Kentucky be penalized in any way?
     
  8. Hayesfan

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    It was a one and done player, so it has to be Derrick Rose (plus it's a short last name.. how much shorter can you get ;) )

    The one infraction is simply because one of the player's friends didn't reimburse the school for a ride to some games.

    The SAT thing is more serious but not for Calipari. He personally didn't do anything and someone said the case is flimsy at best against the university. Though the NCAA almost never drops charges after they make them.

    Any penalty will be assessed to Memphis as Cal was not mentioned in the case, he is simply been asked to testify in it.

    We shall see. He darn well better not lead us back to the dark days of the late 80's!!
     
  9. rrj_gamz

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    This news is about as surprising as another baseball player getting nailed for steroids.

    NCAA student-athletics are a total shame and disgrace. I really hate them.

    Let high schoolers jump to the NBDL. Have them take some community college on the side as a stipulation, correspondence classes are some such.

    But if they're not cut out for college, only trying to make a living as a pro, give them a legit option.

    Don't want to hear about them getting a free education when 1&done types have no intentions on finishing school, fudge their SAT scores to get in, and cheat to pass remedial high school courses to stay eligible.

    End the farce. Provide a fair outlet for the guys that don't belong in school. Pay them.

    Evan
     
  11. Hayesfan

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    The thing is, do you think Derrick Rose would have ever been considered a number one pick without the exposure he got in the NCAA? Not likely.

    It shows that regardless of how you feel about the one and done rule, it can either benefit a player or be a detriment.

    Derrick wasn't ranked number one in his class at all. Now someone like John Wall would still be a high pick, but if he does well in his "one and done" year he could get that number one spot. Do you think that will happen if he goes to the NBDL for a year instead?
     
  12. emjohn

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    Yao never played in the NCAA, he was just about in as remote a location for scouts as you could get. Bargnani joined him as another non-NCAA #1 pick. Both of them had ZERO exposure over here.

    Rubio is supposed to go anywhere from 2 to 5 this year.

    Brandon Jennings opted for Europe over the NCAA and is still slated as a top half of the lottery pick.

    I think the lack of exposure hurts their immediate marketability more than their draft status.

    Plus, if they were to go to the NBDL, the league would have a FAR better idea about the potential of the kids. They'd be playing against league-level talent instead of rosters of less-athletic future journalism majors. They'd be coached by league selected coaches and taught the NBA game.

    They could hire an agent on the up and up. They would be paid legally. They could enter the draft whenever they were ready. The NBDL would gain a good boost in popularity and talent. I'm certain you would see no lless than 5 serious pro prospects go this route over all the farce shenanigans of the NCAA. The NCAA would benefit from having less 1 & done fakers (in fact, I'd couple opening the NBDL up with making NCAA commitments a minimum of 3 years before declaring). Yes, the NCAA loses individual talent, but the TEAM game improves tremendously.

    Basically, super-duperstars (McGrady) go the NBDL route and role players (Battier) go the NCAA route.
     
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    I disagree, Rubio has had lots of exposure from his Olympics. Jennings because he was one of the first to opt for Europe instead of the NCAA.

    Yao played in tournaments and such in California and was on the Chinese National team, I had heard of him before he was drafted and that's when I paid no attention to the NBA. Bargnani is one that I have no idea on, but I am guessing that was all about the GM's relationship with international teams.

    The point you make about the NBDL is exactly why kids would NOT want to do it. You take them from competition where they will be highly superior in most cases to putting them on teams where they may possibly be at a disadvantage.

    There are arguments backing either opinion, which is why this is such a hot topic for the CBA when they get around to renegotiating it.
     
  14. sbyang

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    He was in the running for #1. For the longest time his class had Mayo as the #1 player, then it switched to Beasley at the last moment, by the time they graduated HS it was Beasley #1, followed by Mayo, Rose and Gordon fighting for #2. If teams got to work those guys out and given Beasley's off court reputation, Rose might have been #1 after all, certainly not any lower than #4.
     
  15. FlyerFanatic

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    i've gotta say, initially i was all for the 1 yr obligation to go to college, but at this point i've completely changed my mind. its silly having these 1 and done type players, not only that, people are jumping to europe..just hurts the college game even more.

    just go back to the old way and allow high schoolers to join the NBA if they want to.
     
  16. StevieFlight3

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    But they'd get paid immediately for doing something they love rather than wasting a scholarship they're not really going to utilize.
     
  17. Icehouse

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    It seems to me like you just gave a lot of examples on why kids don't need to go to college to get exposure. Scouts will come watch talented players wherever they are at. If they are no longer in the NCAA but in the NBDL instead, then they will scout the NBDL....just like they went international in the 80's and kept hitting up high school's in the late 90's. College and the NCAA isn't necessary. It's just a way for the NCAA to get rich off kids they don't have to pay, and for the NBA to have a developmental league that they don't have to pay for.
     
  18. Shroopy2

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    Whether its college or NBDL, ANY extra years played in a league other than the NBA can affect player rankings. Cuz there's many variables like team philososphy, team success, exposure, etc, that can affect how good a player looks, exposes their weaknesses, etc... Would figure the NBA likes having a filtering system like that because it gives them a better read of who's prepared. Instead of totally relying on the high school hype machine.

    As long as people keep watching college ball, March Madness and bets on it, it'll remain an attractive option for would-be pro players...though I didnt have much problem with drafts of mixtures of 10 high schoolers, 10 college players and 10 Euros in the 1st round.
     
  19. A_3PO

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    The "one-and-done rule" was implemented because the NBA wanted it, not because it's good for the players. It helps weed out some of the busts because they have to prove themselves at a level above high school.
     
  20. eveluvsrox

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    More to read other than whats posted.

    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/05/30/rose.allegations.ap/index.html

    Rose keeping quiet despite allegations of wrongdoing

    Memphis, meanwhile, is facing the possibility of having 38 wins and a run to the title game wiped off the books, which would make this the second time the school -- and a program coached by the recently departed John Calipari -- had to vacate a Final Four appearance.

    While the allegations swirled, Rose kept quiet.

    The only word out of his camp was a statement by attorney Daniel E. Reidy, who said Rose cooperated in an investigation by Memphis that uncovered "no wrongdoing on his part."

    While silence might be the best legal path, Ganis said it could lead to a conviction in the court of public opinion. But close to home, the jury is friendly.

    At Simeon, a large blue banner with photos of Rose taken this season and these words -- "Congratulations Derrick Rose 2009 Rookie of the Year Simeon Career Academy" -- hangs just inside the main entrance.

    A few miles away at the Murray Park playground near Rose's old home in the Englewood neighborhood, an area lined with boarded up storefronts, his old friends dismiss the allegations.

    "He was a smart student since he's been in grammar school," Danyell Freeman said. "I don't think he needs [anybody] to take tests for him. He's been getting good grades. He's always been smart in school so why would he need somebody to take the SAT for him?"

    Added Keke Shelby, who has known Rose as long as she can remember: "They want to see him back out here, doing nothing, but he was always a smart student so why try to take that away from him?"

    They still see Rose as the same kid they knew all those years. He still comes by occasionally, although he no longer lives in the neighborhood.
     

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