Yet your boy George once again cut Veteran benefits. But where is your feigned anger at bush for not "respecting" our troops? You sir have been debunked a whole lot lately.
Still waiting on Roxran to even ONCE attempt to feign anger over this picture, since he is so on top of excuse making for the Laura Bush picture. LOL...dude you are getting trounced.
I'll say it again to the stupids that didn't hear or don't understand for some reason...My personal feelings is there is no reason to be involved with a religion or attire yourself (play dress up) IF there is no personal based reasoning or correlation... In other words, if Laura Bush wore what she wore when she attended the wailing wall, and the wailing wall is connected as a biblical reference to Soloman's temple, then it is not a farce because Laura Bush has a personal involvement with the Bible... Now, the picture of Condi...I think it is unneccessary for her to wear the dress up as I explained. I feel uncomfortable with it, and it is a farce I don't agree with... So..Why look at Pelosi?...For one...SHE is the Speaker of the House...3rd in line to be President...I'm going to look at her and examine whether the democratic leadership displays good traits or bad traits in their moment. See I'm one of these fools who believes there can be good from the dark side (democrats)...but I certainly lean to the right and know the good from the right side...What pelosi displayed was uncomfortable to me and I felt uneccesary as I felt with the Condi pic...The exponentiality though is Pelosi committed such an act in a country which sponsers terrorism... The religion is the backbone of the terrorists and they have twisted the muslim religion into something radical, intolerant, diabolical...downright "evil"... Since Syria sponsers terrorism, they in turn SPONSER the sickening version of the religion...and Pelosi has shown respect to this???... I feel nauseous to know this from our Speaker of the House...It pains my heart. Adding salt to the greiveous wound is her inability to convene a proper message to Syria regarding peace with Israel...You got to be strong against the terrorists...The message can't be let's hold hands and give you a chance to continue what you do (Syria)...which is of course: its support of terror, its sponsoring of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad organizations, providing weapons to Hizbullah and bringing about the destabilizing of Lebanon, its support of terror in Iraq, and the strategic ties it is building with the extremist regime in Iran. The magnitude of everything Pelosi has done wrong sickens me greatly...It is unfathomable that this is an example of U.S. leadership...This is horrible, and examples of such will kill some of the right things the democrats have done...
ROX, you and I have agreed on things in the past, and I don't consider you a knee-jerk Bush supporter because he is your "hero," as some here happen to be. In this case, however, I am at a loss to understand you. You are fixated on Pelosi wearing a scarf to a mosque out of respect to the religion. The Bush Administration has weighed in on protecting the right of members of different religions to wear traditional head garb, even in foriegn countries. Here's an example... On April 2, 2004 the International Herald Tribune reported, "The hallways of Benjamin Franklin Science Academy in quiet Muskogee, Oklahoma, are far from those of the tough, lower-class Paris suburbs where the battle was fought on the right of Muslim girls to wear religiously mandated head scarves...The Justice Department is intervening on the side of a sixth-grade Muslim girl, Nashala Hearn, who has been banned from wearing a head scarf to her Muskogee school. That is exactly the opposite approach taken, quite controversially, by the French government. The French ban on wearing religious garb to schools, the Bush administration said earlier this year, violated 'a basic right that should be protected'...To Hayes and the Muskogee school district, Hearn's scarf clearly violated a system-wide ban on the wearing of hats, caps, bandannas or jacket hoods. To the Justice Department, however, Muskogee was infringing on Hearn's constitutional right to practice her religion freely." http://www.pluralism.org/news/index.php?xref=The+Oklahoma+Headscarf+Case&sort=DESC Laura Bush visiting al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem: Her husband wearing a yarmulke at the Wailing Wall. Gestures of respect for the religion. Pelosi (who I don't particularly care for, but find myself being forced to defend) wore a head covering out of respect for the religion. Not the government. She didn't wear one meeting the head of state. Frankly, your statements about Pelosi and her actions in Syria smacks of religious bias. It has nothing to do with politics, except for the fact that you simply don't like Pelosi. Laura Bush (and Mrs. Reagan, back in the day) wears a headscarf at the Vatican. A headscarf at one of the holiest of Muslim mosques. Bush wears a yarmulke at the Wailing Wall, one of the holiest sites of the Jewish religion. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. It's all political, it's perfectly normal and acceptable, it has happened since time out of mind, and the fact is that YOU DON'T LIKE PELOSI. Or else you are simply biased against one of the world's great religions. Make up your mind, ROX, but I'll tell you that, from where I sit, you aren't covering yourself with glory here. D&D. Hats in Space.
nice point deckard. it really doesnt matter what she wears. but in general, your point about people not liking a person and b/c of that animosity everything else gets blow out of proportion...is spot on.
Thanks. I appreciate that. And I was sincere when I told ROX that we had agreed on some things in the past, and that he isn't a knee-jerk Bush apologist. We have a history here. Perhaps when you have been around long enough, you'll figure out how different many people here are, agreeing on some things, disagreeing on others, and that several that you seem to think might be "out to get you" are simply replying to your posts in the style they use. Those who cry the loudest about how monolithic opinion is here tend to be people who rarely post in the forum and frequently have little to say. In my opinion, of course. D&D. Bozos on the Bus.
No, I am against misrepresenting ones' self towards religion irregardless of politics...period. I feel it is not needed and unneccessary even in state visits...The fixation as you put it is magnified in vile disgust when she is showing appeasement and respect to the sickening version of the religion which Syria sponsers...PLUS her inept message for the requirements of peace from Syria was the icing on the poo... I don't care how the Bush administration weighs in on it...As you said I don't knee-jerk support everything from Bush... Now for the pics of Laura Bush visiting al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and Her husband wearing a yarmulke at the Wailing Wall....I want to first ask if there is any connection to a personal based reasoning...No? Maybe?...Remember Soloman's temple is referenced as being connected to the wailing wall...Soloman's temple is a landmark from the Bible...Being Christian, I feel there is a personal based reasoning...Irregardless, let's say not...let's say there is NO connection, then my view on the dress up is misrepresentative from Bush and Laura. That is my position even on state visits to religious sites, because I believe it is against the true nature of the person and ingenuine of character... Wrong. I already told you my view on those that misrepresent themselves towards other religions involving dress up and traditions...I think their actions are a farce...What exponentially is heinous about Peolsi is... She displayed this "respect" towards the diabolical, vile version of the religion which Syria sponsers... We know the twisted, EVIL nature of the religion IS the backbone of the terrorists, and Syria sponsers this dammit!...For Pelosi to salute this sickens me so...It hurts me so much to think that she had the opportunity to shine IF she refused endorsing the intolerant, sick religion Syria sponsers...IF she insisted on the prerequisites for peace to happen with Israel... I don't think Israel is asking for a lot...just to stop the sponsership of terrorism... It hurts me to realize the democratic leadership is NOT doing the right things to truly stand up to the terrorists...This is NOT about some damn scarf. F the scarf...She had a real opportunity to impact leadership which would help us short-term, long-term, and in the Iraq War,...and she blew it!!! That is my disgust... She did the right thing by going, but she set us back...and I wonder if she even cares???
LOL. Thats Not Laura at the Wailing Wall now is it? Dude, you seriously are deranged, and nothing more then just a hack. Your arguement holds NO water, and you are seriously grasping at straws. Suddenly your not so into the defending of Condi, and Laura, and W. Now its more of a "well no one should do it" when before it was clearly a "Look at what Pelosi is doing!!!!" And to think it only took massive amounts of absolute debating carnage, embarrassment, and ownage before you finally changed your stance, without seeming like your changing your stance. Your just, including the repubs pictured into your disgust finally in the face of massive proof. You sir are worthless as a debator. Your embarrassment is enourmous.
Thanks. And Dreamshake was out of line. If we all thought alike, it would be a boring world. D&D. Willie Wailin' in Space!
Then please explain where your anger for Condi is/was. The time clock was ticking and it only took days of proof before you shifted your stance from Pelosi and her scarf to "everyone shouldnt do it" Obviously not? Only everything that the Hannity's and Limbaughs tell you to. 1. I cant think of one nation that sponsors outright, in plain view, that is democratic, terrorism even remotely as much as the Israli's do. 2. It doesnt matter what religion, its still the Bush's wearing a religious head dress that is not of their own. 3. What about Condi? Any worse then pictures of our White house shaking hands with Saudi's? Or Saddam Hussein Himself? Well after He commited the same crimes against Humanity the same WH was invading his country for? Id venture a guess that more people have been killed, murdered, or massacred in the name of Christianity then in the name of Islam. In case you havent noticed 665,000 Iraqi's are dead due to Christian ideals right now. Say it with me man. You hate Islam, as much as the Islamic facist hate American Christianity. One mans trash.... Not to mention that it is NOT the religion that sponsors it, as much as misinterpretation, and extremism. Then maybe Israel should stop sponsering terrorism themselves? No this has everything to do with her being a democrat. As witness to your blatant ignorance towards the facts posted in this thread. REPUBLICANS have visited, with Peolsi. And have have positive remarks. Nice try though.
Condi vs. Pelosi....For one thing, in my view Condi didn't visit Syria who absolutely sponsers terrorism. Condi did not eskew the peace message that was vital, especially now...So while my disdain for misrepresenting ones'self in a differing religion by dress up or tradition is clear...I can't say the travesty from Condi outweighs Pelosi...Not nearly at all... In addition, I of course lean right. I'm not going to join the darkside like it or not...But I will acknowledge there is good and bad on both sides... I said early on that I am against misrepresenting one's self in a differing religion...that is my belief, and although I stated my grievance about pelosi first...it is based on that belief. silly. Disagree on #1, yes I already expressed how I feel about that on #2, same for #3 Do the Saudis sponser terrorism like Syria? Is Saudia Arabia categorized as a state sponserer of terror such as Syria? Saddam was a long time ago in the picture with Rumsfield if that is who you are referring to...enemy of the enemy,...something like that as I understood it...Sounds to me you are bringing up everything you can think of...My question is how does that validate Pelosi?...the quick answer is it doesn't...She did what she did, and you can either validate her conduct or you can't...I don't want to be rude, but it sure sounds like a straw grasp to counter my points by eluding whether you feel she did right or not... and more importantly "why"...See that is the nature of debate. I'm not going to even respond to the further drivel...If you want to play defense, you don't point fingers at others or the past. You take the subject head on and explain why I'm wrong based on reasoning... Sorry Dreamshake, but I'm used to debating with others much better than you...keep practicing though...perhaps one day you can be on the level of a Deckard, A_3PO, FB, or Sishir...till then take your ball home and clean yourself up...
LOL.. Whatever dude. You got the big time beat down on this issue. Good luck next time. Your a one dimensional talker. Sucks to be you. Oh I guess Ill play devils advocate though. If not Isreal, then name me the democratic country that more openly uses and sponsors terrorism, assasination, and murder more so then Isreal. Dont side step, just give me the country.
