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Memo To JVG: Rookies Can Play Too!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Kwame, Feb 2, 2008.

  1. HillBoy

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    I can't wait to see what kind of meaningless thread folks like Kwame will start when there's a game where the "rookies" get exposed. What's funny to me is that all of these people ragging on JVG about not playing his rookies (the majority of whom couldn't play) so casually dismiss his 52 wins last season. Yet these are the same folks lamenting about the Rockets' won-loss this season under Adelman with a completely different cast of rookies. As Mr. Clutch was dead on when he described this line of thinking as Complete BS.
     
  2. bjshot

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    at least not be blown out by phili.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    If JVG had Landry and Scola, Juwan would not be gettig any minutes.
     
  4. Zboy

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    Keep saying that to yourself. ;)

    For the amount of mistakes Scola and Landry have made on the defensive end, they would be riding the pine. Never mind that fact that, Juwan was never able to stop anyone either. That's what befuddles me the most.

    What I find hilarious is that you admit, that if Gundy was here, Juwan would still be here. :D
     
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  5. Blake

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    I doubt Juwan would be here. Sadly, we didn't have any other options at PF.

    And the GM makes the personnel decisions
     
  6. morpheus133

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    Yes because we had so many better options than Howard sitting on the bench :rolleyes: You act like we turned down Carlos Boozer, Tim Duncan and Dirk because we wanted Juwan instead.
     
  7. bjshot

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    JVG told JHo that he's out of rotation in the beginning of last season because of new added battier and Novak. Jho ate his pride and was real professional. Then battier and Novak were not worked at 4 and Yao injured. Jho got back to start lines with Deke. they played hard and well.

    How can people accuse JVG a favorist? He's a professional coach. he need win to keep his job. He mixed the best talents he got to win the game.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    LOL, technically I said he wouldnt be getting any minutes. That could mean he was waived or traded. ;)

    JVG played the best players. It's true he made decisions earlier and stuck with them. Conversely, he didn't waste time and losses like Adelman did playing Francis and Mike James this year. Either way, they end up with similar lineups.

    Of course JVG's quick and correct decisions frustrate fans and armchair coaches, because they want to see for THEMSELVES whether that the crappy player in the doghouse (see: Vspan, Boki, Bonzi) truly sucks.

    Of course, now that these crappy players are out from under JVG's "dictatorship," we see that he was right all along.

    What armchair coaches dont get is that coaches see these players practice every day and know what they are worth. And JVG is a far better talent evaluator than anyone on this forum.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    Exactly.

    Novak is another example of a guy JVG and Adelman agree on. He is worth only limited minutes at this point in his career.
     
  10. Zboy

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    I find it hard to believe, that Gundy had nothing to do with the sudden influx of old Knicks players on this team.

    I guess the Rockets GM just fell in love with everything Knicks overnight. :p
     
  11. Zboy

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    Disagree. He is a great work ethics evaluator.

    Evaluating talent has never been his forte.

    Being a better talent evaluator than people on this forum will not keep him a job in the NBA. He has to beat out other talent evaluators within the NBA. If he could, he would still be coaching the Rockets.
     
  12. Angkor Wat

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    All we had were Hayes and Juwan. Not to mention that Juwan wasn't even in the rotation at the start of the season. Who else was he going to play? Novak at PF?

    Best post of this thread. :cool:
     
  13. Blake

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    Spoon got us rid of Moochie and his contract

    Oakley and Jackson were late season injury replacements. I guess you must know of a bunch of servicable players that are available via free agency in February.

    Ward was a terrible signing and I'll blame JVG on that one, even though our GM signed him to a 3 year deal when no one even offered him a 2 year deal.

    Why didn't you answer my question about our other options at PF?
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Ugh, tired old arguments.

    And the truth is always in the middle...no way CD or the organization made any move without consulting the head coach, they all work together and they are all culpable.

    DD
     
  15. Zboy

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    Again, thats something Gundy should have asked himself every year. Every year he thought and believed Juwan would be adequate at PF. Ultimately his belief bit him in buttocks. Was Juwan's losing NBA career hidden to everyone except Gundy? Did he seriously not see Boozer/Okur raping Juwan at the PF spot in playoffs?
     
  16. Zboy

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    What other options? Gundy never believed we needed another option. Juwan was all he needed at PF much like Rafer was all he needed at PG.

    As I said, the first one to let go after Gundy. was........

    Juwan.

    Btw, nice explanation on all those Knicks players we go. Are you still going to deny that Gundy had no say in player decisions as you originally claimed?
     
  17. Blake

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    Sorry. I wasn't aware that a head coach had options beyond the roster that the GM provided.
     
  18. Blake

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    Zboy...go tell me who else we could have signed at that point in those seasons. Those were guys available at the time (late in the season). They were not free agent signings before training camp that we wanted on the team. They were band-aids.
     
  19. OddsOn

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    Uhmm.....JVG didn't have the luxary of THESE rookies. :cool:
     
  20. Zboy

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    Gundy had a lot to say about the Roster. If you believe, Gundy went into the training camp not knowing and not having been consulted regarding the roster...

    I have a Commodore 64 I want to sell you for $5000. It will run any game out there today at max settings and your FPS will be better than what you see in real life world.
     

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