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Memo To JVG: Rookies Can Play Too!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Kwame, Feb 2, 2008.

  1. Blake

    Blake Member

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    I know, right?

    First game I clicked on randomly

    box score
     
  2. poprocks

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    Bring back VSPAN!!! :D
     
  3. smoothie

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    well it's never good to speak in absolutes. i shouldn't have said NEVER used more than 9.

    of course there are a few wierd games here or there, but if you feel up to it you can check all of his games as a rocket coach and come up with an average!

    :p
     
  4. bjshot

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    JVG even played RyBow as start PF at playoff. How dare he didn't play landry! ;) :rolleyes: :cool: :p :D :( :eek: :) :mad:
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I think there's big difference between brooks and VSPAN. Brooks proved himself in practice first, so did landry. Vspan never played well in practice - I doubt Adelman would have given him a chance either.

    Also, Gundy played JL3 quite a bit too.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Since you're the one who made the claim - why don't you do it?

    And if you think Adelman regularly runs an 11 man rotation out there, you'are wrong, there's plenty of nights where he sticks with 9, and at least one game where he only used 8.
     
  7. Blake

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    Nah, I've done my time consuming analysis for the year already. But yeah, RA has used more players on average, but I don't think JVG was as militant with the rotation as you think. RA does seem to play more players when the situation warrants it due to matchup problems, but I don't think JVG was as bad about it as people like to remember.
     
  8. Tfor3

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    I agree w/ despite those who say jvg had them in the rotation from the get go.

    i agree with your whole great post and the notion that jvg discussion is not important b/c he is gone is bs.

    just imagine how great we would look in the regular seaon under jvg only to be exposed in the playoffs...........
     
  9. bjshot

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    The seven man of Rockets was J.Ho in last year's playoff. How could JVG play 9 man rotation? 8th-10th man were aged deke, ball hogger Jlucas and snyder.
    Did they get any minutes this year? They were out of NBA or on inactive list consistently.

    This year's rocket talent level is much better than that of last year. Don't forget espn's Hollinger predicted Rockets would be #1 of league with 61 win. Now where are they? RA is a great coach. So did JVG. JVG is on top 4-5 to win COY last year.
     
  10. Blake

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    fixed it for you.

    further proof that people will remember things the way they want to remember them...even if they are totally wrong
     
  11. bjshot

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    RA usually only run 8-man rotation before this season. He said there's no minutes for the 9th man in the beginning of the season. and the insider said RA didn't trust rookies too. As other great coach like PhJ, JVG etc, he weight practice heavily. If you are good at practice, you earned minutes.

    Because rockets failed so heavily so far, RA had to adjust, tried whatsoever might work. That's why rookies got chance. Did anyone remember AB and Novak were kicked out of the teams into NBDL in the early of the season?
     
  12. bjshot

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    yes.yes. :D
     
  13. morpheus133

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    People forget that Novak actually started his first game in the NBA as a rookie under JVG. He just didn't show anything to warrant keeping that job. Luther Head played as a rookie from game one. Chuck Hayes was an undrafted rookie. Some of you act like JVG had a rookie Lebron James or Shaq on the bench not getting played. As for Adelman, I'd say it's alot easier to take "risks" on letting rookies play thru mistakes once your veterans have dropped you below .500. It's not like Adelman started the year with all these rookies in the rotation. I'm happy with how the rookies have been developing, but this thread is filled with sterotyped inaccuracies in regards to our last coach.
     
  14. Zboy

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    What I like about Adelman is that he has been VERY FAIR with everyone. If you produce, regardless of age/experience, you will get the minutes. Adelman will also give you time to rectify your mistakes. Ultimately if you cant produce, he will go with someone else.

    Gundy, on the other hand, had his favorites, and no matter how much they were struggling, Gundy stuck with his favorites. I hate favoritism, and thus the main cause for my dislike for Gundy's style.

    It is quiet apparent that JVG was closed minded and did not think outside the box. That stubbornness ultimately did him in, especially in playoff series, where opposing coaches made adjustment, while Gundy stuck to his ways.

    Adelman so far, has been willing to try out different options and is willing to explore. We will have to wait and see how his adjustments fair in playoffs. What we do know is that Gundy's stubborn ways was a failure.

    You would think that Gundy, sitting on the bench in the 94 finals game 7, would have looked at how Riley committed suicide by sticking to John Starks. Starks and Riley's stubbornness cost that team a championship. You would think Gundy could have learned a lesson from that.

    Apparently not.
     
  15. v3.0

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    Vspan had his chance in regular games, he was a foul machine.

    JL3 was used sparingly against speedier teams and in spot minutes, was never part of the real rotation, his suckiness was apparent. JVG started using Head as the backup to Rafer.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Complete BS.

    There is a huge difference between Boki/ Vspan and Brooks/Landy/Scola.

    Adelman and JVG both made similar talent assessments:
    -Same starting lineup (until Scola started recently)
    -Got rid of or didnt play Francis and Mike James
    -Bonzi gets limited minutes
    -Head gets significant minutes
    -Rafer gets 30+ minutes
     
  17. Blake

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    I know...VSpan and JL3 could have stopped Deron Williams. And Tsakalidis would have been the answer to Boozer. And Kirk Snyder would have been a much better option than Tmac

    WTF are you talking about? Who could have played that would have changed the outcome of that series?

    We actually have options this year. Who did we have in the Utah series that would have solved the glaring matchup problems of Boozer and Williams?
     
  18. Zboy

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    Gundy should have asked that question long time ago since he stuck with Juwan Howad at PF year after year. Gundy gone, Juwan gone. Coincidence? Heh

    Rafer is all we need at PG..... *SPLAT*

    Favoritisms.....it did him in.
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    The question is:

    How much better would we be with JVG still coach and these rookie additions? I bet we'd be a top 4 seed.
     
  20. Zboy

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    Since Juwan would be eating up most of the playing time at PF, not much better. :)
     

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