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Memo To CD - SHOOTERS!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Mar 16, 2006.

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  1. ikfit

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    The main reason is Jeff, He makes his player hesitate to shot. I belive put same role players in sun or marv. they will shot much better, they are prof, they played so many years, they just need their instinct to shot but jvg kills this. Beside tmac and yao others too worry about make mistakes that's jvg's foul.

    I even don't want to mention his player choice. what he traded out,
     
  2. ndnguy85

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    or not sign them. why didnt we sign a pf that can shoot the 3??? OH YA CAUSE BOWEN IS BETTER.

    who is that idiot who is in charge of scouting?
     
  3. brush

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    I totally agree. If we look at Howard, Wesley, Bogans, and Head's previous numbers, all of them were average or above average shooters. I wonder why everyone not named Tmac and Yao lost their shooting touch under JVG. We are talking about wide open shots!!! Some people in pickup games look way better than these Rockets. Well, everyone becomes more and more like "Hustle" Bowen. (Maybe Bowen could have been a better shooter, too. :eek: )

    Also I don't think that Pheonix management had better evaluation on shooters than other organizations. I guesss that Suns players probably enjoy the game more in their system under their coach, but Rockets just try not to fail.
     
  4. ShadyMcGrady

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    I think Tracy McGrady is the only one not limited by JVG.

    We should have a 4 - 1 type of offense. Keep everyone on the perimiter except Yao. Get a 4 who can shoot the long range jumpers (Murphy) get a PG who can really stroke it from behind the arc and a SG who does what a SG is supposed to do and hit 3s. Dribble penetrate or throw it to Yao everytime. I think that would work much better than what we have going, but whatever.
     
  5. solid

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    You and I have been in agreement on this one for a long time. As far as I am concerned, CD has had an undistinquished career as GM. We still don't know for sure how much influence Rudy had and JVG has, but it was and is probably considerable. The supporting cast last year was much better than this year, but after the playoffs JVG said the team needed more talent. Well they didn't get it, and they lost much of the supporting talent they had. Some real management wizardry is needed now.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    remember TMac had to have a 'talk' with Jeff to get that

    Rocket River
     
  7. Furious Jam

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    I still have faith in the Rockets' brass, but if we have the opportunity to get Redick and pass, I'll start calling for heads to roll. This team desperately needs a Jeff Hornacek-type shooter. We don't need another athlete.
     
  8. jlwee

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    If the rockets signed a player who is only specialised in shooting, JVG will never play him in any circumstances.

    But if the rockets is lookin who can shoot and defends and hustle, they will never find one cause the whole league is lookin for this type of player.
     
  9. xcomputerman

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    Yeah, like Scott Padgett. JVG never played him.

    (Don't even give me the "they let him go" line ... how's he doing in NJ these days?)
     
  10. Mav-Hater

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    Out of curiosity, who were the "pure" shooters we traded away?
     
  11. Mordo

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    He is having one of his worst years. It's strange that his percentages haven't gone up with Kidd passing the rock. They never play him.

    NJ 05-06
    36.0% FG
    34.3% 3pt
    3.5 pts
    2.8 rebs
    11.9 min

    Hou 04-05
    42.1% FG
    39.7% 3pt
    4.2 pts
    2.8 rebs
    14.3 min
     
  12. sbyang

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    I agree that it has something to do with confidence, maybe JVG is just not giving shooters the confidence they need this year. But then think back to last year, when so many of our players were 40% from 3. I mean, JVG was the coach last year too right? So it may be a 2 way street.

    I don't know what happened to Luther head though, he was money from deep in college. Rookie wall or can't handle JVG coaching, I think it's the former.
     
  13. xcomputerman

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    OMG, facts!!! Am I still on ClutchFans? ;)

    Scott is about as close to a "pure shooter" as we've had on this team. He wasn't resigned, people keep criticizing the Rockets for letting him go, yet he's actually performing worse with Jason Kidd and Vince Carter by his side? There's gotta be some way to blame JVG for this ... someone help me.
     
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    Ok, I'll help you this time. Next time, I'll charge for the service.

    If you look at his numbers, his 3 pt shootings are not that different from the year he's in Houston. His minutes are down from 14 pg to 11 pg, because they have Krstic who's an execllent shooter and do much more than Padget. He takes 1.9 APG for 3s in Houston, and hit 0.8 pg, he takes the same 1.9 APG in NJ and hit 0.7 per game. 0.1 pg game over about 50 games is about 5 shots difference total. That's not much difference given the minutes he plays. If he get's on a roll sometime down in the season, he could easily up his percentage to his Houston year's level.

    Other factors might come into play: Net's is mostly up and down the court team. That's not a better fit for Padget compare to Rockets, where he can park on 3 pt line and shoot wide open 3s because Yao and Tmac attract so many double-team.

    But if you look at Padget's stats when he does get significant playing time (about 20 min pg) this season, his 3 pt shot percentage numbers are excellent. All this aside, he's currently still at 34.3% on 3s. Compare to the Rockets players, Wesley, who's currently unable to play. is the team leader in 37.4%, and next up is RA at 36.2%. Head is 35.5%. They all take a lot more attempts than Padget. So, Padget isn't that bad. (tmac is 31.2% btw).

    Thanks, and the charge is free.
     
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    Nice analysis, except you just proved to me that:

    JVG's system actually improved Padgett's scoring, compared to a so-called faster and more offensive minded scheme in NJ, where he's shooting worse than any of our main perimeter players this year (Rafer, Luther, David). He didn't get that many minutes here either, btw.

    I asked for someone to help me find a way to blame JVG. I wouldn't pay you for your services because you did just the opposite. ;)
     
  16. Easy

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    xcomputerman, why is it relevant how Padgett is doing now? You youself pointed out that he was shooting well when he was in Houston. Why did they let him go then? Did they have a crystal ball for how he was going to perform?

    I have yet seen the JVG apologists come up with an answer why we don't have good shooters. The fact is, shooting is not a priority in JVG's mind. The only problem he ever sees is effort and intensity. I have asked millions of times. How much effort and intensity do you need to hit an open shot? Everyone and his grandma know that our biggest problem is shooting. What has the coach done about it?
     
  17. michecon

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    Well, my post in no way proves why JVG should let Padget go, if you can understand correctly. However, I'm unable to help without charging a fee. ;)
     

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