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Media Myth Debunked: More People Agree With Tea Party's Views Than Obama's

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  1. BrotherFish

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    (Updated) Media Myth Debunked: More People Agree With Tea Party's Views Than Obama's

    Hey D&D, here is your morning coffee for today.... :)

    "In official Washington, some consider the Tea Party movement a fringe element in society, but voters across the nation feel closer to the Tea Party movement than they do to Congress. "

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ral_politics/april_2010/tea_party_48_obama_44

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._better_understanding_of_issues_than_congress


    Of course, the first reply post will be to discredit Rasmussen. So, I copied this from their web page and everyone can make their own informed decision as to the accuracy of the poll--based on their historical results.


    A Record of Accuracy
    Rasmussen Reports takes pride in its accuracy. We were right on the money in both the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections.

    But it’s more than getting the final answer right that matters. Our polling is generally less volatile than other firms. In 2008, for example, we showed essentially the same result for just about every day over the final six weeks of the campaign. In 2004, our data showed that hardly anybody changed their mind from the moment John Kerry won the Democratic nomination until George W. Bush won the election.
    Because Rasmussen Reports polls more frequently than others, we are usually the first to pick up on major trends.

    In 2008, for example, Rasmussen Reports was the first to show Barack Obama gaining on Hillary Clinton among Democratic primary voters, the first to show John McCain on top among Republicans and the first to show the massive unpopularity of the bank and auto company bailouts.

    In 2009, while most firms showed New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine with a modest lead in his reelection bid, Rasmussen Reports consistently showed challenger Chris Christie ahead and eventually matched his margin of victory. That New Jersey race, combined with our earlier track record, led liberal columnist Mickey Kaus to declare, “If you have a choice between Rasmussen and, say, the prestigious N.Y. Times, go with Rasmussen!”

    In 2010, Rasmussen Reports was the first to show Republican Scott Brown had a chance to defeat Martha Coakley in a Massachusetts Senate race. Just after Brown's upset win, the influential Washington publication The Politico wrote, “The overwhelming conventional wisdom in both parties … was that Martha Coakley was a lock. It's hard to recall a single poll changing the mood of a race quite that dramatically." The New York Times Magazine opens a March 14 cover story with a scene highlighting the impact of that poll in an internal White House meeting involving President Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

    Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen, pollsters for Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, say that Rasmussen Reports has “an unchallenged record for both integrity and accuracy.”See our Senate polling summary for 2004, 2006, and 2008.

    Rasmussen Reports does not do polls-for-hire. But because of our track record for accuracy, we frequently get asked to do so.

    To meet this demand, Pulse Opinion Research was launched as a separate company several years ago to provide field work (interviews and processing) for surveys. Pulse licenses methodology developed by Scott Rasmussen and provides the field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys. It provides all customers with the same quality field work that we rely on every day.

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    If that is not enough:

     Here is another recent Gallop/USA Today Poll showing the demographics of TEA Partiers to be be similar to that of Americans in general.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx#1


    The interesting revelation in this poll is the demographic breakdown of supporters of the TEA Party.

    "In several other respects, however -- their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large."


    Of course, it is doubtful the main stream media will be reporting these finding on TV anytime soon.

    BTW, True story Bro! ;)

    D&D overload in 3...2...1... :cool:
     
    #1 BrotherFish, Apr 9, 2010
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    In the country as a whole, there are more Democrats than there are Republicans. Among Tea Partiers, Republicans outnumber Democrats more than 6-to-1. How is that representative of the nation as a whole?
     
    #3 Steve_Francis_rules, Apr 9, 2010
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    Too bad about an uninformed public. That happens. More people like Lady GaGa than Wilco.

    Anyway, the TeaParty forms a federation to combat their image in the mainstream media.

    http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/...of-tea-party-and-grassroots-groups-announced/

    It's a shame they do this than actually trying to legitimize their movement and drive out the racists, and racism in their group. Why spend the energy hiding and denying what exists rather than actually fix the problem?

    They are as bad as the Federal govt.
     
    #4 FranchiseBlade, Apr 9, 2010
  5. mc mark

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    Don’t you know?

    Only white people represent true America
     
    #5 mc mark, Apr 9, 2010
  6. Invisible Fan

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    Does this poll validate that other poll which said X% Republicans are crazy?
     
    #6 Invisible Fan, Apr 9, 2010
  7. durvasa

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    These were the questions asked:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lines_tea_party_and_congress_march_25_26_2010

    It is comparing the public's connection to the "average Tea Party Member" and the "average member of Congress".

    The results don't really surprise me. This reflects more of a general dissatisfaction with politicians, especially among Democrats and Independents, than it does ideological leanings.

    Obama is not mentioned, by the way.
     
    #7 durvasa, Apr 9, 2010
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    So this thread is a myth about an Obama media myth being debunked?



    I really must know!
     
    #8 Invisible Fan, Apr 9, 2010
  9. jo mama

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    HAHA - congress has like a 15% approval rating and the teabaggers still cant get 50% against them.
     
    #9 jo mama, Apr 9, 2010
  10. Rashmon

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    Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don't do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting
    I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting, I'm still waiting
     
    #10 Rashmon, Apr 9, 2010
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    Why can't the more wing-oriented posters title threads correctly? This has nothing to do with Obama.

    And yes, we knew Congress was an unpopular as possible. There's nothing debunked here really.

    I would like a reply about the misleading title, but as usual with this poster, I won't hold my breath.
     
    #11 B-Bob, Apr 9, 2010
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    please explain to us how you cam up with congress = Obama?

    legislative = executive?
     
    #12 vlaurelio, Apr 9, 2010
  13. Major

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    1. I like how posting Rasmussen's opinion on their own credibility is supposed to end the credibility argument. I'm sure Scientologists think they are highly credible too. That said, Rasmussen has a mixed track record on polling. Historically, they have been relatively good (no more so than others though), but in this past election cycle, they have been consistently pretty far off from virtually all other pollsters. This is the result of them using a different likely voter model which assumes more GOP voters than all the other models. At this point, it's unclear who's right though.

    2. As others have noted, the claim you make in your title is wholly unsupported by the poll you linked to.
     
    #13 Major, Apr 9, 2010
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    Legitimize by driving OUT racists? Look, you can't run a fear campaign to persuade the masses without including racism as an impetus. You can't resort to everything to try and coerce those that have lost their faith in you without ... well... resorting to everything.


    and


    nice. that should leave the movement crosseyed and painless. Careful, Tea Partiers are trying to change their shape, the whole movement was feeling like an accident before.
     
    #14 CrazyDave, Apr 9, 2010
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    Well it may dwindle their numbers to drive out racists, but until they do, they will be little more than a mob, and not a real legitimate political movement.
     
    #15 FranchiseBlade, Apr 9, 2010
  16. Rashmon

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    These poll results couldn't possibly reflect the fact that Rasmussen normally words their questions in such a way as to elicit favorable responses leaning rightward toward Republicans (hence teabaggers)?

    Could it?
     
    #16 Rashmon, Apr 9, 2010
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    THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A VIABLE THIRD PARTY.

    PLEASE RUN PALIN AS YOUR 2012 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

    PLEASE.

    PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    #17 finalsbound, Apr 9, 2010
  18. Rashmon

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    Did Rasmussen only poll Republicans again this time?
     
    #18 Rashmon, Apr 9, 2010
  19. DonnyMost

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    Welp, looks like everyone has already thoroughly torn this thing to bits.

    Good job, guys.

    I'll see you all at the secret D&D liberal cadre BBQ cook-out this weekend?

    I hope Bob-B brings his potato salad, that shiz is da bomb!!!
     
    #19 DonnyMost, Apr 9, 2010
  20. Depressio

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    Yeah, but I'm still curious to see what the response is.

    "You liberal sheeple just can't see it because you're too socialist!"?
     
    #20 Depressio, Apr 9, 2010
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