I don't know that we will ever know for sure one way or another. This whole thing stinks. Somebody is lying their mf-ing ass off. I want to see the lying rat b*stard go down.
Now here's a good question. If he had all this hard evidence this whole time, why wasn't it revealed in the Mitchell Report and why wasn't it disclosed to federal investigators before now? And why would he keep evidence that would have been damning against HIMSELF, including Roger?
Yeah, none of this really makes sense. It's hard to understand why he would have kept all this stuff. Yet, on the flipside, he's not in trouble with the law right now. It would be extraordinarily stupid to fabricate evidence which would then put him in DEEP trouble with the law if it was proven to be fake. But this goes to the heart of why I keep saying let this continue - the more stones you overturn, the more interesting things keep getting discovered. A few weeks ago, everyone was saying "it will just be he-said, he-said". But the reality of this is that we have no idea where these things go until we let them play out. It will be interesting to see where this all leads. But you can't learn anything if you aren't willing to investigate.
The "evidence" backs up what he told the investigators who offered him immunity (could probably help in the defimation lawsuit too).
True--and it's also true that this isn't worth learning or investigating. It's a colossal waste of taxpayer money.
This is the question. Here are the possiblities: 1. The Mitchell folks were incompetent. They failed to ask McNamee the question: Do you have physical evidence of Clemens using PED's? I think it"s highly unlikely that the Mitchell commission missed such an obvious question. But if they did, why did McNamee hide the ball. He wanted to bait Clemens into a perjury trap. 2. The Mitchell folks asked the question, but McNamee lied and said he didn't have physical evidence. If that's the case, McNamee has lost any sense of credibility. His camp has been saying that McNamee is under penalty of perjury and has no incentive to lie. Thus he must be telling the truth. Well, if McNamee denied having physical evidence, he's done 3. The Mitchell folks asked the question, McNamee said he has physical evidence, but Mitchell folks excluded it from the report. I can't imagine they'd take that risk, because any monkey could figure out that this would go public and wind up in a deposition or congressionaal hearing. Also, this would suggest the Mitchell folks were setting a perjury trap for Clemens. Separately-- with all the interviews that McNamee has given, all the times his lawyers have made public statements . . . there's been no mention of the physical evidence. What, they just found it? Nope, this is an attempt to set a perjury trap. I'm no Clemens apologist and frankly think/thought he did it, but this just doesn't add up. This McNamee dude is a nut and may have it out for Clemens. A he said he said dispute, plus some "physical evidence" to corroborate McNamee's side of the story . . . will that be enough to get to a grand jury? I smell a rat and am sliding over to Clemens side.
That's true if the committee has other things to be doing. But the reality is that there's a lot of downtime in Congress. It's not like they'd necessarily be doing something else useful if not working on this, and we don't pay them by the hour.
Both sides are dirty and it's just tit for tat. I think it's just gonna get dirty and ugly unless both sides magically come to some sort of settlement. As far as physical evidence, yeah, kinda fishy but if it's a smoking gun and Roger has denied it under oath, he is in a heap of trouble.
That's freaking nauseating to me. "A lot of downtime??" We're not "paying them by the hour", but we *are* paying them six figures to do more than sit on their asses (as "a lot of downtime" would suggest). If they want to come up with creative ways to spend the "downtime", how about a commission to have a bunch of hearings on why in the hell these "variable rate" mortgages got out of hand, what could have been done to predict the end result, and what could be done to help the poor fools whose mortgages have nearly *doubled* and are being foreclosed upon in record numbers? How about maybe spending the time agreeing on a damn budget before we have to hear about more "ultimatums"? Or delving into this whole war issue and coming with some intelligence-based suggestions for the current and next President, rather than sitting around crowing about the only guy who's actually doing something? What about doing a serious, in-depth study on Social Security, and coming up with different solutions? What a load of horse****. "Downtime." This country has a lot of significant issues, and the Congress is investigating sports stars who cheated because they have "downtime". Poppycock.
That would be a different committee and different group of Congressmen/Senators - and they HAVE been having hearings and discussions on those issues. It's not like all of Congress shuts down for this. Again, all of these things happen simultaneously. It's not like if they'd just spend more time in a room, these issues would get resolved. Staff negotiate things, meetings are held between different parties, research and analysis has to be done, etc. Having congresspeople spend more time on those issues won't get them resolved any faster. None of those issues are put on the backburner because of this. Congress works on dozens and dozens of things at once. This is just one of many little things they constantly deal with, though it's higher profile in the sports world and because of ESPN and the like.
I do understand that--but it's a wild--and I mean wild--stretch of the imagination to fancy that Congress couldn't spend this time any better. If it really is illegal drug use (HGH w/o prescription, etc.), then it is an issue for a local police department or at most the FBI. It makes just as much an "example" of these guys then as it does when the legislature gets involved. Seriously, wtf do think they're going to do? Pass another law stating pretty much the same thing? Waste. Of. Time. Disagree. One can call Congress a lot of things, but I have never--never, EVER--not once, freaking EVER heard them referred to as "efficient". Where do you think the phrase "it takes an act of Congress" comes from? They're so inefficient, they have a cliché in their honor all about inefficiency. Inventing more things for members to do, when they and their staffs could contribute to the efforts ongoing about things that actually matter, is stupid on a grand scale. Only politicians could be so stupid.
Forensics can trace anything. If he added it last week they'll be able to tell how old it really is. Extemely creepy that this guy kept this stuff. Sounds like he was planning to extort Roger.
He probably kept it just in case, and with Roger trying to drag his name in the mud, he had no choice. If Roger lied to congress under oath this could get interesting. DD
Agreed. Admittedly I've felt Roger was guilty since his silence from the get-go, but I don't understand this at all. However, I trust forensics to uncover the real truth behind the "evidence". This would be a pretty bold move on McNamee's part to submit tampered evidence. He would definitely go to jail if this "evidence" was fake.
I heard on the radio that they can tell if the blood came during an injection or if it was dipped in it later. Also that different syringes are used for different drugs and that B12 or Lidocaine wouldn't be in a syringe used for injecting steroids or HGH.
