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McHale: Some young guys are getting minutes they don't deserve for developmental purposes

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. J Sizzle

    J Sizzle Member

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    That's the thing about Mchale haters....

    They legit believe that our success is derived 100% from the players and Morey, as if we could replace Mchale with a freakin' toaster and we wouldn't skip a beat on the court...

    Ridiculous...
     
  2. Joe Joe

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    It depends, will the toaster play Lin 48 minutes?
     
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  3. trock

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    I think McHale did a good job this season. No need to repeat the challenges he had this year and the record speaks for itself.

    I think the playoffs are going to tell a lot about his coaching. It's one thing to build and explosive offense with a young team that can run most teams out of the building in the regular season. It's based on spacing and having several very capable ball handlers making good choices. I think the many blowouts is indicative of a young group that can keep a pace going that other teams may not be able or want to follow in the regular season. I think the closer games where a young team's warts show may be more of what we see in the playoffs--The elite teams focused on slowing us down, teams making adjustments in a 7 game series. We'll see what kind of coach McHale is in the playoffs.
     
  4. darksoul35

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    I know one person he isnt talking about. Jones. If thats the case then why doesnt he get a chance if others are not deserving? This dude is a joke. All he does is say negative things about our players.
     
  5. RickyNewport

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    That's funny, because Garcia has been rotten away for years on Sacramento's bench...

    I think McHale is upset about Morey trading Patterson and Morris and trying to force his hand to play D-Mo, Robinson, and maybe Jones... But, I would never expect a guy who was a former GM for years _ who could never build a legitimate championship contender when he had one of the top power forwards of all times to speak out the side of his mouth so much... Shut up and coach dude...
     
  6. sirbaihu

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    Garcia's minutes were higher on the Kings than they are on the Rox. Facts help us talk about reality.
     
  7. spdngyns69

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    The only player I felt he has given too much playing time to is Dmo. Trob doesn't get much playing time at all but he's so raw that even the limited time he's had is considered too much. If you honestly think Brooks, a vet can outplay Lin, than Mchale might be referring to Lin as well. Mchale and his mind games.
     
  8. WinkFan

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    We're going to play a team that is better than us, and we are going to lose. McHale can't do anything about that.
     
  9. raskol

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    STRAWMAN ALERT!!

    Are you really saying that people who criticize McHale believe that the coaching position can be (should be??) replaced by a toaster? That people don't understand what the coach has brought? No, you'd be wrong, at least in my case. McHale has a clear strength in that of his expericence as a HOFer who has won multiple championships. I also love the structure he brought since training camp, the right focus on the right things, the pushing and prodding to get results, his competitiveness, etc. but his in-game blunders (that most of you blindedly look away from) are numerous and too often lack any logical sense. And he keeps repeating his mistakes, not learning from it but always circling back towards it while blaming anybody but himself.

    I do not like McHale much as our coach (lol, didn't like him as a player either as I hated them Celtics with a burning passion) even with our record because he's the opposite of cerebral. What's especially damning is that he has no pulse for the game. On top of which, he is stubborn and old-fashioned (this one's not so bad) and is slow to learn and adapt to something that works. I know most of you guys think McHale hasn't made any mistakes this year (especially regarding anything Lin cuz clearly he couldn't do anything wrong, but deep inside, you know that McHale's been messing up rotations all year long, don't you? Who thinks that if we lost our coach this year and got a new coach for next year, that we wouldn't make the playoffs next year? Nobody. Cuz it's our boys that are talented and underrated, young and humgry. Last game's decision making, no matter how doggedly you guys bend your bball iq and jedi mind trick yourselves into believing it, was an egregiously terrible decision which could have costed us for what amounts to 4 more minutes of resting time for Lin and Asik, WITHOUT 2 of our starters, and IN the middle of a heavily contested playoff race. Really? You guys can excuse that? Do you want him to do that next game as well? The one after that? McHale may be an okay guy, with an amazing resume, but he's not a good coach imho. In addition to structure and development, an NBA level coach must be good at feeling the pulse of the game and making a chess move accordingly. He cannot even correctly distinguish between Lin and TD in evaluating talent, I mean what more can I say?? The point is, there's a reason people criticize McHale. Some point are unfair, some are downright falsehoods, but he has plenty of things to criticize without being called a looney who hates McHale for no reason.
     
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    cleverly disguised ppat and his shoulders are greater than our mini power forward t rob!
    =)
     
  11. WinkFan

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    This is the problem with stat guys. They can never take a step back and say" maybe this result is a flaw in the stats".
     
  12. trock

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    Oh, I expect we'll be out in the first round (though there's always hope), but there's a difference between a sweep because all we try to do is run and gun, and a competitive series that sees preparation for the matchup, rotations, use of timeouts, plays out of timeouts, exploiting mismatches, a more intense defensive effort. I would give leeway because the team is young, but there's still a lot of watch for in the development of players and coaches.
     
  13. Joe Joe

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    I would say the problem lies with guys that stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, and not with true stat guys. Stats generally are what they are. It is the misuse of them to create incorrect conclusions that is the problem.
     
  14. WinkFan

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    I agree. However, I think there is another level to the problem. True stat guys can become advocates for "their" stats, and treat them as unassailable truth. This can lead to the same sort of incorrect conclusions.
     
  15. HadToDoItCF

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    Hey dip ****. Welcome to reality. Previously in this very thread there have been a couple people who said a cardboard box would be better than mchale, and quite a few who said we'd be better off with the players coaching (aka toaster, or other inanimate object).

    Way to go off on an inane diatribe defending a point that is implicitly false.
     
  16. HadToDoItCF

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    It could be in the camel's back thread too, I get all of these ridiculous threads mixed up... I actually thought I was in that thread posting this...
     
  17. Joe Joe

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    I see non-stat guys believe in their eyes and traditional "wisdom" make a lot more mistakes....granted this is based on my anecdotal evidence.

    The big thing is interpreting data whether it be from scouts or more analytical data. Fans tend to make a lot of mistakes believing stat guys that don't look at the data set to determine how much confidence there is in a particular trend.
     
  18. sirbaihu

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    I'm actually liking McHale more as the season goes on. I'm almost not allowed to say that here, but it's true!
     
  19. darksoul35

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    you wont be saying that after we get swept.
     
  20. HadToDoItCF

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    Is it even fun for you to be a rockets fan?
     

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