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McGrady To Houston Thread (Update: Francis will visit Orlando)

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at this point, they will move francis this summer whether it's for mcgrady or someone else. francis has now accused his coach of lying to him straight up...these two have quite a history for just one year together. i doubt seriously he'll be back, one way or the other.

#1901 MadMax, Jun 27, 2004

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What would the deal be after july 14th, the one where francis is not a byc player?

The Rockets and Magic worked out deals that can be approved while Francis is still a base-year player and next month when he is not. The league moratorium on trades or free-agent signings, this year from July 1-13, would push back any July deal until the 14th.
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#1902 mrgoubople1, Jun 27, 2004
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i'd rather see jvg go than steve if that is the case. if rudy hadn't gotten sick the rox would've achieved what they did do this year, a play off berth. under jvg the way they play is damn ugly.

#1903 hooroo, Jun 27, 2004
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almost same as other articles but more info:

Hill says trade is on verge

BY JOHN DENTON
FLORIDA TODAY

ORLANDO -- Grant Hill thinks that the much-debated trade involving All-Star guards Tracy McGrady and Steve Francis and others is finally going to happen.

Hill, in Houston on Saturday displaying his extensive African-American art collection at Texas Southern University, told Houston TV station KTRK that he's been informed by Orlando Magic management that the deal should become official any day now.

The trade, first leaked last week by agent Jeff Fried, will have the Magic sending McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines to Houston for Francis, shooting guard Cuttino Mobley and center Kelvin Cato. Francis had a 20-minute phone conversation with Magic general manager John Weisbrod on Thursday night and is expected to visit Orlando this week.

"A little birdie told me it's going to happen . . . I think," Hill said with a laugh. "I think it's going to happen. . . . That's part of the business of professional sports and he's going to go on and do well here in Houston with coach (Jeff) Van Gundy and Yao Ming, and hopefully we're going to go on and do well with the guys we have. Life is about change and sometimes change is necessary, but sometimes change can be good. But I think for the Rockets and the Magic it can be good for both."

Hill admitted that he was sad that he's not going to get the chance to play alongside of McGrady for a full season. Hill signed an identical seven-year, $93 million contract as McGrady did in the summer of 2000. However, he's played just 47 games the past four seasons because of a troublesome fracture in his left ankle.

"On one hand, I'm excited about the possibility of playing with Francis, Mobley and Cato," said Hill, who didn't play at all this past season and is hoping to finally return healthy next season. "I think they can really help our ball club. With myself coming back and being healthy, the first pick and with some changes we can really turn this thing around fast and be a playoff-caliber team.

"On the flip side, I was there for four years and never had the opportunity to be healthy and really play a whole year with Tracy. So we will always wonder what could have been."

Contact Denton at jd41898@aol.com

Link: http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/sportstoryS0627GRANTHILL.htm

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oops just saw the article was posted in some other thread.

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Orlando closer to deal for McGrady
By Associated Press
Published June 26, 2004

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ORLANDO - With the Magic pinning their hopes on a prep phenom rather than a polished collegian, it's clearer than ever All-Star Tracy McGrady is gone. Orlando's disgruntled superstar has said he's unwilling to wait out another rebuilding project, and the drafting of Dwight Howard is a commitment to the future.

"I can't conceive of any scenario with Tracy, whether he was staying or not staying, that would've made this different," General Manager John Weisbrod said. "This is who we were going to pick, regardless of any Tracy factor."

Even more telling is that Weisbrod's first post-draft call was not to McGrady but to Steve Francis. The Houston guard has dropped his objections about being traded to Orlando, possibly paving McGrady's way to the Rockets.

When news of a prospective deal broke this week, Francis was adamant about not wanting to leave Houston, and Weisbrod put talks off until after the draft.

But Francis' agent, Jeff Fried, told the Magic there were no objections about coming to Orlando, and Weisbrod's call to Francis smoothed matters even more.

"I couldn't say we're really closer to anything, but this was a good first step," Weisbrod said early Friday.

Said Fried: "Steve was very impressed with the way John has a vision for the team, and the way he wants to win. It seems they really hit it off."

Although Weisbrod offered no specifics, the deal is believed to be McGrady, Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue for Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato.

Weisbrod said his conversation with Francis was productive, with each man expressing respect for the other's work. Even Francis' scuffle with Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire in March drew praise.

"I think he's stubborn, I think he's competitive and I think he likes to win," Weisbrod said.

Magic officials said trade negotiations will break for the weekend.

As for the team's top pick, McGrady's history can provide the Magic with a reference point on young players, having made the prodigy-to-pros leap. Howard, at 6-foot-9, 240 pounds, has impressive physical skills, but will he try to get by on those alone?

"They picked the best person for the job," a confident Howard said during his post-draft visit to Orlando. Moments earlier he was smiling through braces while holding up a jersey bearing No. 12.

By choosing potential over experience, Weisbrod is taking a risk in trying to rebuild after last season's 21-61 disaster. He acknowledges Connecticut All-America Emeka Okafor will give more help next year to the Charlotte Bobcats, who picked second, than Howard will help the Magic. But 2004-05 isn't the point.

"There was a national consensus, "The Magic are so bad, they have to take the guy who's more proven, established and NBA ready,' " Weisbrod said. "I was aware of that, but I really didn't let myself fall into that thinking.

"When you come into a draft you're addressing the needs of your team, but when you have the No. 1 pick your responsibility is to pick the best player."

The Magic traded for another first-round pick Thursday, acquiring Saint Joseph's point guard Jameer Nelson from Denver. Nelson, selected 20th, played four seasons with the Hawks, earning consensus national player of the year honors as a senior.

Howard, however, has many more questions to answer.

"Character has always been in me," he said. "The way I am, it's always been like that. I'm not going to change because I've got the money and I'm No. 1."

As a support system, Howard plans to live with Kevin Samples, his cousin and business manager, "so I can get accustomed to living by myself at a young age."
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Did anyone catch this? True or not, I don't know how much longer I can take Wisebrod.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/26/Sports/Orlando_closer_to_dea.shtml

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Weisbrod Draws Ire of BBS Fans
By Ass-ociated Press
Published June 26, 2004

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ORLANDO - With the Magic on the verge of pulling off a blockbuster trade that would send Tracy McGrady to Houston in exchange for Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley, Weisbrod continues his brokering shenanigans to the ire of BBS fans.

"I am getting absolutely fed up with this Weisbrod character," said BBS poster, REIT. "Who does he think he is? A Harvard MBA?" Jeff, (a.k.a the Administrator) had this to say: "If Mr. Weisbrod would just get his act together, stop blabbing useless material to reporters, and issue ONE and only ONE press release, I might actually be able to go home, go to my wife, and get some sleep again."

Even more telling is that Weisbrod seems to be getting under the skin of SA Rocket too. "Normally, I'm a pretty level headed guy, but this whole episode with finalizing the McGrady deal is just driving me bonkers. Over the past fourteen days I've been unable to work, eat, OR sleep. I guess the only thing that's been mildly entertaining is this one Britney video soaking in the bathtub where she....ummmm...."

When news of a prospective deal broke this week, Francis was adamant about not wanting to leave Houston, and Deuce had this to say. "Sheeesh. That silly Steve. Tricks are for kids." DaDakota added, "Why can't he just be a good max contract player and leave peacefully?" Even free agent Karl Malone, who posts under the handle sup123, voiced his displeasure. "What is Steve trying to do? Upset the balance of power? Everyone knows that I, Karl Malone, am the most hated player on the BBS. Double sheeeesh."

But Francis' agent, Jeff, a.k.a JeffB on the BBS, told us there were no objections about coming to Orlando. Said Jeff: "Steve was just being the whiny overpaid ballplayer that he is. After a tour of Disneyworld, he'll be just fine. Now is anyone up for a KFC run? Colonel Sanders is calling for you Stevie baby..."

With the growing confusion and indefinite air to trade talks, Weisbrod understands that he's making no friends in the city of Houston. "I think people on the BBS have to understand, I'm not a bad guy, really, I'm not. I just dress funny. Just ask my mom."

Yup. Indeed he does.

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#1907 SageHare6, Jun 27, 2004

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... You really have nothing better to do, do you?

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Originally posted by hooroo
i'd rather see jvg go than steve if that is the case. if rudy hadn't gotten sick the rox would've achieved what they did do this year, a play off berth. under jvg the way they play is damn ugly.
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the way i see it, if steve had made an effort to play "team" basketball he wouldnt have gotten his coach fired.

rudy is gone b/c he lost controll of the team. that and the bad contracts that he was responsible for (cato, taylor, moochie, maloney, francis, ect)

#1909 jo mama, Jun 27, 2004
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Originally posted by SageHare6

When news of a prospective deal broke this week, Francis was adamant about not wanting to leave Houston, and Deuce had this to say. "Sheeesh. That silly Steve. Tricks are for kids." DaDakota added, "Why can't he just be a good max contract player and leave peacefully?" Even free agent Karl Malone, who posts under the handle sup123, voiced his displeasure. "What is Steve trying to do? Upset the balance of power? Everyone knows that I, Karl Malone, am the most hated player on the BBS. Double sheeeesh."

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out of all the people, i resemble karl malone.

#1910 sup123, Jun 27, 2004
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Originally posted by jo mama
the way i see it, if steve had made an effort to play "team" basketball he wouldnt have gotten his coach fired.

rudy is gone b/c he lost controll of the team. that and the bad contracts that he was responsible for (cato, taylor, moochie, maloney, francis, ect)
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Or, if Yao hadn't gassed out in the second half of the season, he wouldn't have gotten his coach fired. Or if Carroll Dawson would have kept Kenny Thomas and gotten rid of Eddie Griffin, he wouldn't have gotten his coach fired....etc.

#1911 SamFisher, Jun 27, 2004
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Originally posted by SageHare6
Even more telling is that Weisbrod seems to be getting under the skin of SA Rocket too. "Normally, I'm a pretty level headed guy, but this whole episode with finalizing the McGrady deal is just driving me bonkers. Over the past fourteen days I've been unable to work, eat, OR sleep. I guess the only thing that's been mildly entertaining is this one Britney video soaking in the bathtub where she....ummmm...."
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LOL thanks for the pub sage!

BTW, can you post a link to that Britney video?

#1912 SA Rocket, Jun 27, 2004
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Why are you guys still worried about this deal? It's done IMO.

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Originally posted by MemphisX
Why are you guys still worried about this deal? It's done IMO.
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Because I have yet to see T-Mac wearing a Rocket Cap showing off his new Rockets jersey sporting the number 1 in a press conference with JVG and CD and Les. When that happens I will be a lot more comfortable.

#1914 crash5179, Jun 27, 2004
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Originally posted by MemphisX
Why are you guys still worried about this deal? It's done IMO.
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No deal is done until the ink is dry.... That said, yeah, I know. This deal is about as done as done can be. The beauty of it is that both teams really do get better through this deal.

#1915 JeffB, Jun 27, 2004
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tomorrow it should be official

#1916 KaiSeR SoZe, Jun 27, 2004
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Hey Sage, I like it. That was a great "article" you came up with there, it's something to read besides all the Weisfraud bull.

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the ink must be in its dry state!

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Originally posted by SageHare6
Weisbrod Draws Ire of BBS Fans
By Ass-ociated Press
Published June 26, 2004

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ORLANDO - With the Magic on the verge of pulling off a blockbuster trade that would send Tracy McGrady to Houston in exchange for Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley, Weisbrod continues his brokering shenanigans to the ire of BBS fans.

"I am getting absolutely fed up with this Weisbrod character," said BBS poster, REIT. "Who does he think he is? A Harvard MBA?" Jeff, (a.k.a the Administrator) had this to say: "If Mr. Weisbrod would just get his act together, stop blabbing useless material to reporters, and issue ONE and only ONE press release, I might actually be able to go home, go to my wife, and get some sleep again."

Even more telling is that Weisbrod seems to be getting under the skin of SA Rocket too. "Normally, I'm a pretty level headed guy, but this whole episode with finalizing the McGrady deal is just driving me bonkers. Over the past fourteen days I've been unable to work, eat, OR sleep. I guess the only thing that's been mildly entertaining is this one Britney video soaking in the bathtub where she....ummmm...."

When news of a prospective deal broke this week, Francis was adamant about not wanting to leave Houston, and Deuce had this to say. "Sheeesh. That silly Steve. Tricks are for kids." DaDakota added, "Why can't he just be a good max contract player and leave peacefully?" Even free agent Karl Malone, who posts under the handle sup123, voiced his displeasure. "What is Steve trying to do? Upset the balance of power? Everyone knows that I, Karl Malone, am the most hated player on the BBS. Double sheeeesh."

But Francis' agent, Jeff, a.k.a JeffB on the BBS, told us there were no objections about coming to Orlando. Said Jeff: "Steve was just being the whiny overpaid ballplayer that he is. After a tour of Disneyworld, he'll be just fine. Now is anyone up for a KFC run? Colonel Sanders is calling for you Stevie baby..."

With the growing confusion and indefinite air to trade talks, Weisbrod understands that he's making no friends in the city of Houston. "I think people on the BBS have to understand, I'm not a bad guy, really, I'm not. I just dress funny. Just ask my mom."

Yup. Indeed he does.

theSAGE
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Link? No link? Lock this now!

(Good article, oh sage one...)

#1919 xiki, Jun 27, 2004
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Anybody know how the visit went?

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