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McGrady: If traded from Orlando, Rockets are first choice

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pother, May 28, 2004.

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  1. Mr. Mooch

    Mr. Mooch Contributing Member

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    Well, I hate to come in here late and not read through the NUMEROUS threads, but how many of you have touched on the possibility of having Yao, TMac, AND Francis?

    After recent discussions with our ole friend YY, we debated on whether (even if it was just TMac and Yao) that yao would still end up with like 2 shots a night...AND be happy with it.

    Time for me to read the middle pages now...
     
    #101 Mr. Mooch, May 29, 2004
  2. AMS

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    That was my first thought after hearing any TMAC trades, Keep Francis too... man, soo optimistic of us:(

    but what happened to all those people who wanted to trade Steve because YAO wouldnt get any shots in the system, blah, blah... I see many of you are very very supportive of getting TMAC here, Like Mooch said, Yao won't get half the shots he was getting before.
     
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  3. Mr. Mooch

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    Exactly. And then watch T-Mac bolt elsewhere at the end of next year when he's not happy about scoring less.

    Of course, that's the ultimate downside; I'll put it this way:

    I was hoping the Rockets could get Okafor to fill that PF position when I saw him play. Now the possibility of TMac is surely intriguing. I think I'm supportive of whatever the Rockets do this offseason, even if it's keeping the core as it is now.
     
    #103 Mr. Mooch, May 29, 2004
  4. Stack24

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    This is what i have been saying all along. What makes you think TMAC will stop shooting the ball less? He is the same style player as Francis but just better. There will still be a need to get Yao his shots. unless TMAC really wants to give up some of his shots.
     
    #104 Stack24, May 29, 2004
  5. gucci888

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    Pat Williams (Orlando GM) was just on MAX on ESPN and the only talks about T-Mac were for Kobe. He talked about how Orlando and LA were in the same position w/ Kobe and T-Mac.

    I however, do not see Kobe in Orlando pin-stripes next season.
     
    #105 gucci888, May 29, 2004
  6. BigCountry132

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    David Aldrige just said on sportscenter that he thinks SA will find a way to get TMac,.
     
    #106 BigCountry132, May 29, 2004
  7. rockbox

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    My bad, my impression was that they weren't willing to give the max because they had to make room for Davis's and VC's contract.
     
    #107 rockbox, May 29, 2004
  8. BuckeyeRocketFan

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    What if we dealt Orlando Mobley, Cato and Nachbar along with our 2nd round pick this year and our next available #1 for McGrady? Keep Francis here and run with Francis, McGrady, Jackson, Taylor or FA, Yao?

    According to RealGM, the $$ work as is, but we could add in part of the trade exception if need be. The big issue is of course return. Obviously Francis back would be better, but if they don't have any bargaining leverage, would we have to give them Francis back? Would that future #1 be enough to get us in the ballpark?
     
    #108 BuckeyeRocketFan, May 29, 2004
  9. gucci888

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    Francis would have to be in any deal for T-Mac, period.
     
    #109 gucci888, May 29, 2004
  10. BigRay

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    He didnt even mention the Rockets as contenders for T-MAC:(
     
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  11. Baqui99

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    Yes, because Orlando is dying to take a package of Malik Rose, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili.
     
    #111 Baqui99, May 29, 2004
  12. BigRay

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    Do anyone have the article when he said this? I remember the game but I don't remember him saying this at all. If anybody have a qoute about Tmac saying anything good about yao please post it.
     
    #112 BigRay, May 29, 2004
  13. Clutch

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    Actually, according to McGrady, it was a variety of factors and that was probably one of them. I don't doubt that he wanted to be more of the "man" and I'm sure he has a monstrous ego, but certainly no one could have predicted that McGrady would be top dog over Grant Hill at that time. McGrady did know that Hill would be there before agreeing to join the Magic.

    I wouldn't support ego-driven decisions in a team game/sport, but McGrady's explosion once he went to Orlando does support the fact that he was capable of much more. Perhaps he would have gotten the chance to do more in Toronto as he certainly improved each season there, but maybe he needed a fresh start to show his skills and get the minutes.

    I can see why those in Canada would be bitter though ... he certainly left them cold, insulting them after leaving. The Raptors also didn't get quite the return that Detroit did (Ben Wallace) for Hill.

    As a Rocket fan, I would be concerned about his back problems, but the question I have is does this guy need serious coddling like so many of today's so-called "superstars", or is he going to "get it" and lead his team? I mean the Magic did win just 21 games. Also, he's possibly looking to "jump ship" now for a second time (and remember, earlier in the year he was talking "retirement" after the Magic lost all those games).

    If things get tough in Houston, what can you expect from McGrady? That's the big question. There really is no questioning his talent, or wondering if he's better than Francis. He is, without a doubt.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/aldridge/863386.html

    "Well, I like that (Orlando is) kinda slow," McGrady says. "The city's kinda slow. It's not as fast as Toronto. I mean, definitely, how can you beat no state income taxes? How can you beat the weather? I mean, it's a first-class organization. I mean, those three things right there, and when I got that Grant Hill was coming here, I mean, it's just a lot. I mean, you take advantage of opportunities like that."

    .....

    Perhaps, McGrady is told, [Vince] Carter merely is disappointed that he left.

    "Yeah, but it's a business, man," McGrady says. "I've gotta look out for myself. Because you look at the kind of player he is, and you at where Toronto is, they're not in the States. Plus, you've got the higher taxes. And if you look at that team, I mean, I think that team is gonna be set back a couple of years when you have all the old veterans leave. And I'm looking at all of that. I'm looking out for myself. And I just had to do what was best for me. And coming home was the best thing."
     
    #113 Clutch, May 29, 2004
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    I don't know of any quote where McGrady has said he wants to play with Yao specifically, but he did have high praise for Yao after he scored 37 against the Magic in Orlando.

    Said McGrady: "You can't stop him from getting his position. Wherever he wants to go on the court, he's going there. He's that big. I don't even think Shaq (O'Neal) can stop him from getting his position on the court. The guy is a beast."
     
    #114 Clutch, May 29, 2004
  15. teknokid

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    I am bit worried with his attitude. I forecast a disaster once we acquire Tmc
     
    #115 teknokid, May 29, 2004
  16. KaiSeR SoZe

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    #116 KaiSeR SoZe, May 29, 2004
  17. HAYJON02

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    I'm worried about T-Mac's back and attitude like I'm worried about his ability to score.
     
    #117 HAYJON02, May 29, 2004
  18. yipengzhao

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    hey clutch:

    that vote brent barry 2004 is pretty funny. did you just make that? didn't realize you were such a big fan of him.
     
    #118 yipengzhao, May 29, 2004
  19. GATER

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    The BYC status is totally irrelevant. No trades or FA signings can occur until mid-July when all trades will be based upon 2004-05 contracts legalities.

    August is a long way off but no teams can finalize anything until mid-July which is a whole two weeks shorter than "a long way off".

    I think you're missing a very subtle point. The whole reason there is any trade talk regarding McGrady is that he has two more years on his current contract and the Magic want a committment from him to extend his current contract this summer. If McGrady does not want to stay in ORL and wants to play in HOU or SA or LA or PHX, he will refuse to extend with ORL and agree to extend only with the team of his choice. Hence, unless TMac wants to go to IND or DET, it's matters not what they put on the table.
     
    #119 GATER, May 29, 2004
  20. steddinotayto

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    that's for the clear up Gater. I was just worried that Steves BYC status would only hamper/slow things down if trade talks are in the works.
     
    #120 steddinotayto, May 29, 2004
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